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Man, I hope they can find the smoking gun here. Multiply what happened here by every other house district in every other battleground state and you have a Mitt Romney win.

I have no doubt OH was stolen via the early/absentee vote. If you look at the numbers Mitt showed significant gains in every county that he won and Obama had significant decline in early/absentee in almost every county he won. However the early vote the networks gave showed an 18.5% Obama lead. A large portion of heavily Republican votes was missing. Unfortunately, most counties don’t report a breakdown of how many people actually voted on election day other than one heavily dem one. Therefore, it’s impossible to say if any early votes disappeared from the data but we do know only OH and PA showed Romney losing votes over McCain as compared to surrounding states and other battlegrounds.

Several items of clothing never showed up but yard sign came very late. I assumed the fine union workers at the post office had something to do with it as I wonder if they had anything to do with my absentee ballots missing as well.

Has anyone tried to follow up with the Romney store ?

This only touches the surface of how they used psychiatry. When you combine the above with their data-mining operations that’s when it gets scary. They have inside tracks to the information from google searches and the information from facebook due to the political leanings of these companies. They know what you’ve searched for, what groups you and your friends belong to, what games you play, what you buy with your credit card. They can then identify those groups of people that aren’t likely to vote but can be convinced to vote through psychology. Once they have a target group they can take it down to almost the individual level and develop a psychological profile and use specific emotional triggers to get that person to vote. I’ve seen it work and it is powerful.

If you want an example I wrote about it here post 45: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2958583/posts

This may sound expensive but Obama spent almost 1 Trillion dollars which doesn’t count all the other groups. That is over $7,000 for every person that voted this year, with that kind of money it is only a matter of time before the campaigns realize that they can afford to target individuals and stop spending money on all of the junk mail that no one reads. You can only buy so many ads and they only have so much impact.

There were help wanted ads for data miners for the Obama campaign posted for years before this election and I believe it will be a bigger and bigger part of how elections are won. You only need to target a few hundred thousand people in the right states to tip a close election. They can afford to spend quite a bit per impressionable voter. We need to catch up on this big time. Younger people in this country have been trained to react to emotional arguments, not logic. Like it or not that’s the only way to win over the majority of them.

With all the negativity surrounding congress that position will turn him into a lightning rod. As much as we need him there I think it would be a terrible political career decision.

There was such a split between two groups of pollsters that I have to think these polls were being used to justify a fraudulent outcome. Those that the administration could manipulate knew the outcome ahead of time.

During the runup I kept telling my wife that I thought they were using the polls to demoralize people or to justify their inevitable calls of suppression. She just kept saying that the polls were just telling us how much they plan on cheating. Now, I think she was right.

This is indeed our best hope, but if this election showed us anything it’s that a huge portion of this country wants the federal govt. to fund and run their lives.

With changing demographics we will ultimately have to rely on state’s rights to protect us or flee to a country that values freedom, if any exist. We don’t need secession if we hold to the constitution the state rights we need are already there.

This will unfortunately take state leaders willing to demand our constitutional rights and just as important willing to refuse the federal government’s jurisdiction over any area not enumerated in the constitution.

Many of our present battleground states still hold Republican majorities in state government. We need leaders that are willing to sour the milk from the government teat. Democrats have been using our tax dollars to attract guaranteed voters to the areas they want for generations. Enact state laws that require work for any kind of government check and watch how fast the demographics change as the welfare recipients flee. When the federal government threatens to withhold their share of the welfare money tell them to shove it. Watch how much faster the demographics change at that point. Get rid of the welfare mooches and it’s no longer a battleground state. This gives an advantage for federal elections at least until the next census but ultimately it helps ensure we hold at least one part of government strong enough to slow down their agenda. Since the Senate is the only body elected that isn’t dependent on population it is possible to hold it against demographic trends.

Ultimately, this is the moral high ground as well as a good strategy. We shuffle kids through schools giving them one chance to get it right when their home lives often make it impossible. If they fail and drop out they never get another chance, we just doom them to the welfare system and they never learn what work is. Turn their community centers into work centers where they go to learn and work for their checks. Let’s see how many of them really only collect welfare b/c there isn’t any work available and how many just don’t want to work.

IMO, no political party should be able to help anyone vote.

— I absolutely agree. I also think it should be illegal to keep track of who shows up. If I want to stay home I should have the right to do it without anyone knowing about it.

If I were a union employee and didn’t show up I could suddenly lose my job. If we take away the party’s ability to keep track of who’s voting we make their job of voter fraud a lot more difficult.

historic black turnout = massive ballot box stuffing plus massive white voter destruction.

Since we measure “black voter turnout” as a percentage and not an absolute number, loss of white votes in one of only two states in the region that showed a lower Romney vs McCain total (OH and PA), creates a sense of a higher turnout of all other minorities.

Someone kept posting the left’s strategy of keeping track of non-voters and “polling” them to see if they plan on voting. If it’s obvious they’re not going to vote you vote for them. Sounded like a lot of work until I noticed that every OH county lets you generate a list of voters and their last voting date on line. You can break it down by precinct, sort it any way you want and generate a PDF, mailing labels, a file meant to be fed right into a database program or even a “walking list” by location. They sure make it easy, takes all of 2 minutes.

I’m not so sure about that, wolfpat. I’m one of those real conservatives who initially didn’t plan to vote for Mittens..and i caved.

I know others who did same. Maybe a small percentage stayed home but I think most of us came to realize that a vote for Rom was a vote against Bam and that made it easier.

-— Exactly, I’ve read hundreds of posts that stated just that. However, only one person has reported they voted for McCain but not Romney. That is what they want us to believe though. There were throngs of people that voted for McCain but thought less of Romney. I believe a lot of people stayed home but I don’t believe enough stayed home that turned out for McCain to lose OH. Especially since only OH and PA showed lower turnout for Romney amongst the comparable states in the area and the other battlegrounds. Something happened to those votes.

And the outcome is not at all out of step with recent history

— Yeah, they pull this stuff every election, doesn’t make it right. Many of these precincts also show 100% turnout, most over 90%. Do you really believe that ? A precinct made up almost entirely of people that have done nothing to help themselves their entire lives other than cashing govt. checks, but they are motivated enough to turnout 100% on the same day ? Impossible.

I think the Dems have gotten better at targeting areas where we’re not expecting them too. In the recall race it seemed like they swarmed Racine even more than Milwaukee. The biggest turnout in FL was actually in the Tampa/St Pete area where there was likely less scrutiny but still some major inner city areas. There have been reports of Sheboygan, WI being swamped with busloads of voters many voting Obama and the Republican line to bring less scrutiny.

All of this is expected but it’s the reports of R vote destruction that really seem to have increased this year, not just manufacturing D votes.

Everyone wants absolute proof, not just statistics and ,but how can we put together the resources to prove any of this unless we pay attention to the indicators 1st ? Proof only comes from investigation but no one wants to investigate unless there’s proof.

Beautiful Response. I’m going to have to start buying Hostess products. But it’s not like they need those good paying jobs in Cinncinati, St Louis and Seattle right ?

I’ve been saying he was blackmailed since day 1. The best way to deal with it is what he did, go public on your own. If that is what happened there must have been quite a panic when he came out.

Of course they had the polls right, they knew exactly where all the fraud was going to take place.

The one thing that did always bother me through this election season was the comparisons to 2010. Yeah, we did great with the house but in the Statewide Senate races in battleground states we got beat with massive fraud. They proved that even with the biggest wave in Republican support in recent history they had an answer ready. Fraud in the big cities like Denver and L.V. to counter any gains outside of them. This machine was ready to go even then. Add in the fact that this was a presidential election and they would naturally get more of the non-fraud turnout and there really was no good reason to think that we could overcome the fraud.

They could then be manipulated into supporting whatever argument they wanted by hitting their emotional triggers.
Hm, do you have some examples?

—My favorite example was one of my workers. Total misanthrope animal rights person, covered in tats and piercings, never bathed etc etc. and openly hated black people (I had to threaten to fire her for making racist remarks).
Through data mining they could identify the animal rights groups she belonged to, who her friends were, what ads/sites she clicked etc etc. One of her friends was recruited to constantly work on her to vote for Obama but finally what did it was they bombarded her email with footage of people in Alaska shooting wolves from airplanes and blamed Sarah Palin of course.
She registered to vote and actually took the day off to drive back to her home state to vote for Obama. All because she felt she was getting back at Sarah Palin. She couldn’t have told you about one issue in the election and whether Obama won or not would change nothing for the wolves in Alaska, but they hit that emotional trigger and it turned literally one of the laziest most unmotivated people I’ve ever met in my life into someone that would have walked through fire to vote against Sarah Palin and threw a party to celebrate it to boot.

I see this stuff all time from my friends though. I try to make a case about how raising taxes will actually hurt the poor the most and the response is blabber about how I haven’t seen how poor people really are in such and such a neighborhood and I don’t care about the poor. They just skip past the logical argument and go back to emotional ones.

The other classic example is getting kids on the side of global warming by showing a mother polar bear separated from her cub by the melting ice. Once they see that you can try to explain that even polar bear cubs can swim for miles so this never happens but you will never overcome that initial response.

Young voters are liberals and they believe what the left has taught them,

— true, but I think there is more to it than that. The young have been taught to respond to emotional triggers, not logic and the leftists know this and are masters of exploiting it.

I once heard an ex-KGB agent speak about how 90% of the KGB budget was spent on influencing our schools. He said that they couldn’t just try to make teachers push communism so they focused on teaching children to think with their emotions and reject logic. They could then be manipulated into supporting whatever argument they wanted by hitting their emotional triggers. This strategy was applied to my generation but for some reason I always got defensive when someone tried to trigger my emotions and I was always conscious of it. I’d say 90% of my friends fall for this crap though.

According to this speaker their research stated that once someone was taught this way it was almost impossible to reverse it, and you could simply never offer enough logic to overcome an emotional argument with them. We need to learn to exploit this strategy when dealing with younger voters instead of fighting it with logic.

One of the keys to the data-mining operations that the Dems have been using is to assign people into groups that can be easily manipulated into voting using certain emotional triggers. It works and we have nothing that even comes close to counter it with.

In the swing states, votes for Romney weren’t ‘missing’. THEY WERE DESTROYED AND/OR SIMPLY NOT COUNTED.

— Totally agree. Why did Romney’s #’s drop vs McCain’s in OH and PA but Romney did significantly better than McCain in surrounding states and other swing states ? I know our absentee ballots in PA disappeared and others have reported that they were told this was a widespread problem by officials in their district. As far as OH goes the early ballot count was almost 60:40, no way that was accurate unless votes from R districts were missing or counted later.

We saw thousands of polls this election season. How about someone pays for one more huge poll ?

Poll OH citizens and ask them 1) did you vote for the Democrat, Republican, Other or no one in this election ?

2)Did you vote for Dem/REp/Other or no one in the last election ?

I’d like to see how the results stack up and how many voted for McCain and didn’t vote for Romney. Maybe they can also keep track of those who said no one and check if someone voted in their stead.

I also wonder if anyone has taken the time to count up the votes in the 90 plus turnout precints in the swing states ? If you adjusted those precincts down to the average state level of turnout how many votes would that take away from Obama ? and would it affect the outcome ? You can’t tell me that people that have never done anything in their lives but wait for a check will turnout for anything at a 100% level and no group of any sort in this country can be convinced to vote 100% in favor of anything, I don’t care if racism is involved or not.

“The Democrats portrayed Romney in the worst light possible; as a wealthy, out of touch millionaire who wanted to return women to the 1800’s.”

democrats, hell. It was the f-ing “media” whores!!!!!!

-— what was the one common aspect of every Dem ad I saw in PA ? They called the other guy a “millionaire” usually with ominous music playing. Interesting and ironic that in all cases the dem was a millionaire too.

If the electorate thinks that being successful at what you do is an automatic disqualifacation for election then we’ve already lost.

“The Democrats portrayed Romney in the worst light possible; as a wealthy, out of touch millionaire who wanted to return women to the 1800’s.”

democrats, hell. It was the f-ing “media” whores!!!!!!

-— what was the one common aspect of every Dem ad I saw in PA ? They called the other guy a “millionaire” usually with ominous music playing. Interesting and ironic that in all cases the dem was a millionaire too.

If the electorate thinks that being successful at what you do is an automatic disqualifacation for election than we’ve already lost.

Don’t we control the Sec of State for Ohio and Florida? Isn’t it up to our side to make sure the rolls are clean?

— In theory yes. However, in both cases Eric Holder stepped in and took them to court when they tried to do it.

I’m glad to see a semi-large site at least addressing this issue. I turn on news shows with 8 people supposedly representing all sides sitting around a table discussing elections and no one wants to say anything about the 800lb Gorilla name “Fraud” that is jumping up and down in the middle of the table.