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I don't disagree with you just merely pointing out that it is understandable why some Christians feel that homosexuality is one sin that doesn't get many chances historically from a Biblical sense at least and his punishments for them have not been chastizing in a loving sense. They were utterly destroyed and cut off from his mercy in Soddom & G. Not to say that there is no hope for them but it is certainly one sin that mightily provokes his wrath and that alone should be good enough motivation to seek his forgiveness.

Sorry I was referring to your post that said "This could get out of control, and bring too many of the "God Hates Fags" people."

Since Gays are an Abomination to God doesn't that imply he is disgusted and revolted by them? He destroyed Soddom and Ghomorrah plus a couple similar towns with fire and brimstone so I can't imagine he loved them too much. Maybe you meant people who believe this and that also believe that they should promote violence as a solution involved.

That I can understand.

It's late so forgive me if I misinterpret what you were saying.

Pray yes! And that I will do, but there is a way that God works in my life that I understand. I get the notions and then wait on the doors to open and close and it happened more times than not just like this and then both my wife get the answer by a sign. It happened that way with my marriage, my moving to the beach, my job and now this seems to be the next event. I'll know soon enough why I am being pushed towards this conclusion.

There isn't enough room here to explain all of these kinds of events in my life but here's one example - when my wife and I were younger and we were loosing everything because I lost my job and couldn't find enough work to make the house payment for 3 months. Because I had quietly felt that this was God's will I was convinced that no matter how hard I tried I couldn't stop it and finally told my wife that this must be God's will and she didn't want to hear it. We didn't know where to go or what to do but then the next day when I went to drop her off at work and we talked and prayed about it and she noticed a verse on the white van's front tag that was parked DIRECTLY in front of us and it said 2 Cor. 5:17 on it: Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Now we new something was going on and speculated where were we to go? We prayed some more and she went into work and I was going to mine and in front of me was this dump truck and it had a sign on it that said "watch radio". I thought that was odd because how could you "watch radio" and it hit me to turn on the radio out of curiosity. The second I turned on that radio there was a seafood commerical on and it instantly gave me the answer we were to move to the beach. Two days later I had a huge paycheck and renter a uhaul truck called a real estate agent and to put a deposit on a house to rent and we were on our way. Everything changed for me since then. Good job and good friends and even more miracles after that like our buying our first house.

I can't explain it. But this notion about this country has been coming up in different ways since a couple of years ago and noone in my family even wants to hear it. And now I am convinced the confirmation is on it's way. It's serious enough that I and my wife are going to be discussing it tommorrow night in great detail and I know she is not wanting to her it either. She has to have proof by confirmation and events/signs and if she see's the same answer it will be confirmed for me.

Sorry for the long post. I am not even pentacostal either just an independant baptist and I wasn't taught to expect this kind of thing but that is what has happend to me since I was 19 years old and it started with knowing this girl I met at church was going to be my wife!

What definition of Abomination do you know that that the rest of us doesn't that seems to mean love to you exactly?

This is unbelievable stuff. It boggles the mind how this can go on in this country. It's time to move on and leave this country behind. I am waiting on God to call me and my family out. A line has been crossed and this country is no longer safe for children or christians for that matter. It's time to pack up and let God send forth his destruction upon this wicked nation and it's purveyers of filth and wickedness. I have been feeling like we have become the Mystery, Babylon the Great whose judgement is prophesied in Revelations to come upon them in one hour. Now I am assured of this.

Well good to hear that it wasn't anything more than a verbal exchange. You'd do better I think to simply print a list of what teachers are foistering their ideals on our children so parents can get our children removed from those classes. That would go along way at preventing further indoctrination and possible molestation. Are there any lists for public schools or colleges to that effect. I personally know of a friend of mine that her child is coming how daily talking about how ok it is to be gay. If I find out any info on what teacher or group is targeting these children I will be glad to pass it on to whomever may wish to publish it. Any legal organizations you know of that are willing to investigate these matters?

Most Christians are more fearful for the lives of ALL people and would prefer that they would turn from sin and repent and be baptised so they won't go to hell. We also realize that not everyone will and unfortunately Hell will host many souls.

George Washington was convinced and so were many people in our history and I would hope that you arn't embarrassed of them. So here if you have any interest in understanding why people fear the lord and his wrath you can start by understanding the Lord's compassion first then read the book of Revelations to understand why we fear what is happening in this country and around the world.

http://wyllie.lib.virginia.edu:8086/perl/toccer-new?id=KjvJohn.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=3&division=div1

I know there is a God because of the way he works in my life. There are far too many times that I have seen him change things in my life that I thought was impossible. You may think it is just coincidence but to me it is a reality and wether you care to believe it or not you should at least learn about the man who died for your sins.

Sorry I didn't clarify that by saying the demoRat world. I thank God for Australia, Britain and the many others that have stood up to this tyranny because we are indeed thankful for your help and your courage is very comforting to me personally and something we Americans have always grown accustomed to and grateful for. I know we Americans are often boastful and proud at times but we also know that if not for our friends we would be far worse off.

You can be assured that many of us here are grateful and count you equally instrumental in beating down the oppression of vile tyrannts and thugs worldwide. God bless you too because he has certainly blessed us to be able to count Australia as an ally and a friend along with many other countries. I have no doubt that he already has.

"Perhaps I am overly optimistic, but I'm basing it on the polls that are coming from a variety of sources, and my own contact with large numbers of high school and college kids."

Well you have more experience than me in that area as I do not work with a large number of this age group directly so I'll take your word on it. I am certainly glad to hear that this is what you're seeing first hand. I hope that they continue to understand what is at stake and that good people like yourself remain around to guide them.

In this sense there is fun in being wrong because I like surprises, especially really good ones like this if it holds. GW was the best surprise I had in a long time and boy this one would be even better.

Kids will always tend to be airheads but it is experience that reinforces the lessons they absorbed in their youth from great principles that make them strong. I am certainly proud of the kids that are taking a stand and I am impressed that many more are standing up. After all when the raping of our society becomes unsutainable it will be up to them to rebuild it and challenge the notions that guide us down the dark road of socialism. History has shown that they are capable when push comes to shove so I am not completely without hope for them just not so terribly optimistic that common sense will all of a sudden return without some inevitable need for it.

We are all hurt because of this and the Marxists become the greatest benefactors because they setup the system of safety nets to divert the public's wealth to their own pockets (elitism) to further the theft of our society's ability to produce. I have no sympathy for the true Marxists, only scorn.

If they are hurt the most by their beliefs it is only when the people drive them from their posistions of oppression and to the gallows after they have raped society to the point of revolt. This is how Reagan defeated the Soviet Union. Communism was never truly defeated in the 20th century. It's name was changed. ;^(

I think you are just wanting to be argumentive here and overly optimistic.

I can't imagine why it would be unclear to you that as a conservative (Bush supporting conservative) on a conservative forum (largely Bush supportive) that you would automatically assume that I would be referring to a post about conservative youths as being mush heads. Maybe it's that same logic you are using to assume that the majority of youth in this country are conservative and Bush supporters.

I hope you are right that the youths of this generation are a majority conservative and that they understand what is on the line in this election and go vote but I would prefer that the mush heads who are more interested in their ability to get high, laid and depraved stay home. Or at least find some shame first before deciding on who is best fit to serve this nation.

Not to say that I don't think there are any just that I don't think they exist in the quantity and quality that you are suggesting. I'm not holding my breath in your optimistic appraisal of the situation but election day results (if not tampered with) will show how conservative American youths are and if they are a majority or not.

Children tend to run to their parents when the house is falling down around them too but that also doesn't make them more conscientious to the cracks in the underlying timbers before hand and certainly not more conservative.
Nothing wrong with being optimistic and I truly hope that I am wrong about my assessment and that you are right in yours.

"College has become daycare for the 18-21 set. We just send kids there as if there is some value to them learning to be communists. Would that reality allowed people to be hired for their ability instead of their little pieces o' paper!"

I bet if the kids had to pay for their college or at least pay their parents back for it more of them would spend less time socializing and more time studying or at least demand a refund when they are old enough to see that they didn't actually learn much more than where to troll for the next peice of arse and a good time.

"These companies should learn from these mistakes, but they don't fire these people?? Why don't they just hire them from deVRY and stay away from the 'liberal arts' universities??"

Number one reason why most of these morons arn't fired in small to medium sized businessess. Nepotism and the second is below.

Number one reason in large corporate America is the legal issues. HR has to spend a fortune in man power trying to catch incompetence first then another fortune in man hours trying to find a legal way to give them 40 last chances to get it right as to avoid any possibility of percieved discrimination.

India and Pakistan don't have such rigourous policies and even less legal recourses. It's domestic law and social policies that promote keeping incompetant people in the work place and it is systemic.

"As the parent of four intelligent, conservative young voters, I find your (incorrect) stereotyping of their generation offensive.
Do you have any idea how strong young conservatives are in their beliefs?"

I wasn't speaking about the conservative youths. I know they have more morals and comprehesion skills in their pinkys than these fly by night fruitopians. The utes as I am referring to are the mindless gang bangers, pot heads and sex fiends. You could also classify many adults in that category as well.

Save that spirit for enemies amongst us.

"We also need to encourage our youth to vote! Most of them seem to like Bush so we need to tap into that vote as well."

Or discourage the mush heads to not vote. All it would take is put on one big sleezey all day event somewhere on election day where these utes will be attracted like flies to horse sh*t! Preferrably some very remote place where there arn't any voting machines for hundreds of miles.

"One time when I lived in OR I had a bumper sticker - just Yes on Measure whatever it was to stop promoting homosexuality in schools, and homosexuals came over to my house to yell and harrass me and my spousal unit. At 10PM no less!"

What happened? Did you call the police?

I'm not much on coming up with bumper sticker ideas but here's some ideas:

Arn't you glad shame went out the window and humanity followed.

WWJD? Forgive Repentant Homosexuals!

In America you have the right to be an abomination AND be proud of it.

As if AIDS wasn't enough

Soddom and Ghomerica

There's a reason why there arn't any same sex electrical plugs too!

That's about all I have. There is one other way that America can learn about why the homosexual agenda is bad. Unfortunately soddom and ghommorah's fate isn't very PC or Gay friendly but if it happens it will sure nip that problem in the bud. Best thing I can do is pray and vote for George W. Bush. I'll keep checking back and let you know if I come up with any other ideas.

We surely need something because if college is going to continue to be the cesspool of American institutions by promoting everything under-the-sun crap and less about an actual education you can better believe I will send my kids to vocational schools instead. Far better for them to learn a skill than deal with the radicals in the universities indoctrinating young American minds into the mush heads they are turning out.

I can tell you this. I am an IT Consultant and I have seen the garbage first hand by these so called institutions. Oh yeah a degree in computer science/engineering and a company hires them only to find out these mush heads don't even know the basics! I know it happens because I had to take on one of these mush for brains as a technician at a very prominant investment firm and he couldn't even dir a dos directory much less even understand IP addressing and he gets hired by RJR 2 weeks later making $60k.

To tell you the truth they are the reason I am a consultant and not working as a full time IT guy. If it wasn't for these mush heads messing stuff up and companies paying me a fortune to get them out of a jam I would actually have to work with all these morons on a regular 8-5 basis. Nowadays I work maybe the equivalent of 6 days a month and make more money and less headaches and don't have to listen to their ideological indoctrination rants and more time teaching my kids how not to be an idiot like these guys.

You wanna know the real reason why IT has been going overseas? Because people like me who actually know how to do things right take getting less money than a moron as an insult and won't take the jobs for cheap. Serves them right if you ask me. Frankly, I like making $125/hr only to come in and show that little punk with his arse in a bind how to do it right the first time only to know that he won't learn it and I'll be back in a few weeks covering his butt again for another $125/hr. After all he's gotta justify it to his bosses not me.

"academic freedom to teach their students. I do not believe that you will find faculty at Sul Ross different in terms of the way they grade students from any other institution in the state. There are faculty who don't give finals; if they choose not to, that's their option."

Wow! Talk about being able to get paid for not doing any work! Boy that government teet must taste awfully nice to those Academiacs. It's time to start weening them off of it if you ask me.