Female Pastoral Ministers Replace Catholic Priests

Rochester Democrat & Chronicle ^ | October 22, 2002 | Doug Mandelaro

[Maximilian]

The future is now. Those (we won't name names) who say that the diabolical plans of pervert liturgists won't come to fruition should read this story. The revolution is not ahead of us, it's in the rearview mirror. (For more about the "dialectical process" of the pervert liturgists, see these stories:)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/768883/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/768486/posts

It has already become the status quo to have female "pastoral associates" running the parishes while a few priests run around from parish to parish saying the words of consecration, not only in Rochester, but in other dioceses like Richmond.

If it's not the case yet in your diocese, this article makes it clear, "Such will be the way of the future for all churches, not just in Rochester but throughout North America." Get ready to hold hands with "Barbara."

When the article says "the number of active diocesan priests will drop by 60 percent nationally by 2025," they're not exaggerating the problem. I was at the funeral of priest last week, and the procession of diocesan priests down the aisle consisted of one white head after another. In 20 years they'll all be gone, and the 1 or 2 priests ordained each year are not going to replace them.

BlackElk thinks its bad when you hear "Hi, I'm Steve. I'm going to be your celebrant this morning," but wait until he hears, "Hi, I'm Barbra, and I'm going to be your 'pastoral associate' this morning. I'll be leading the 'communion service' because our turn to have Father here on Sunday doesn't come up for 3 more weeks."

[ArrogantBustard]

And yet, in dioceses like Arlington, and Denver, and Lincoln, and Washington vocations to the priesthood are being heard, and answered. And Seminaries like Mt. St. Mary's are stuffed to overflowing with enthusiastic, orthodox seminarians. They are producing enthusiastic, orthodox priests. The Church in America doesn't all look like Albany, and New Jersey, and Richmond...

[Dusty Rose]

It's very sobering that there is such a shortage of priests in the U.S. to minister to the faithful. It's sobering because there are so many Catholics-in-name only, and Easter Sunday/Christmas only Catholics. What if all of these nominal Catholics began taking their Faith seriously and started showing up every Sunday. Then there'd REALLY be a priest shortage for all of these people. Or do we need "revival" first and then the vocations would blossom?

Years ago when Catholic families were larger, there was great pride if at least one of the kids would become a priest, religious brother or sister. With one or two-kid families, it seems parents do not nurture any vocation that may be there. And with all the scandals and humanism in the Church, becoming a priest just doesn't seem to be an attractive choice. There's a vaccuum, and the feminists are moving in.

[SuziQ]

The Rochester diocese is by no means alone in experiencing a steadily dwindling number of priests.

I believe that when the Church gets back to having Seminaries in which young men have no fear of being molested, physically or psychologically, and in which they are taught to be GODLY priests, there will be such an outpouring of vocations as we haven't seen in many a year!

[NCLou]

Thanks for having me on your list. My father and his family are originally from Rochester, and he considers the Diocese there among the worst in terms of it's "modernization" activities. He has spoken to other conservative priests in other parts of the country that agree with that assessment. I wouldn't doubt that female celebrants is the goal of this plan, rather than the necessity.

The thing is, obviously no one wants their church closed, but why would you rather keep your church, but without a priest? What's the point? Oh, wait, a church without a priest would be Protestant.

They are succeeding in turning most Catholics into Protestants.

[NYer]

While it's too early to know precise details, the reordering of resources ordered by Bishop Matthew Clark likely will lead to hard decisions on a wider scale than Catholics have known.

Bishop Clark has been strategizing and planning this move for quite some time now. There is much controversy in the DOR, including gay masses, ordination of a female priest (she and the priest who ordained her have been excommunicated), wreckovation of several churches, the presence of Hillary Clinton speaking from the altar of a DOR church, during her senate campaign. The following article appeared in the May 23 edition of The Wanderer.

Lay Preaching To Spread In Rochester Diocese

By PAUL LIKOUDIS

  ROCHESTER, N.Y. — The abusive practice of laymen — usually nuns or ex-nuns — preaching during Mass, a nearly quarter-century-long practice in several Catholic parishes in the Diocese of Rochester, N.Y., received the imprimatur of Bishop Matthew Clark on April 24, when he issued new norms for lay preaching to take effect immediately.

  "I would want for us to enjoy as fully as we possibly can . . . the beauty of lay preaching in this diocese," he said at a May 4 meeting that brought together about 150 priests, pastoral administrators, and parish bureaucrats at St. Bernard’s School of Theology and Ministry in Rochester. "It’s a value I don’t want to lose in any way."

  True to form, Clark is taking authorized ecclesiastical norms and standing them on their head to produce the contrary effect of what was intended. The sharpest example is that canon law, and the American bishops’ complementary norms, require that any lay preacher authorized by the bishop be orthodox and live an exemplary Catholic life: There is no possibility that any orthodox Catholic could pass by Clark’s heterodox strainers, most of whom have decades-long records and reputations as dissenters from Catholic teaching.

  But Clark’s latest manifesto goes much beyond that problem.

  The implications for Catholics in the Diocese of Rochester are enormous: Ambitious lay people who may not like their priests will demand equal time in the pulpit, and if they are heterodox, will receive permission to preach; the possibility that Catholics in the pew will receive Catholic teaching lessens, driving more Catholics into Protestant sects; priests will be increasingly marginalized, discouraged, demoralized, and harassed, and the priest shortage will avalanche.

  As one Catholic observed to this reporter: "Imagine if the state suddenly authorized lay physicians or lay dentists or lay engineers, and all those who spent major portions of their lives obtaining the knowledge and expertise for their work had to sit on the sidelines while amateurs and dilettantes preached and engaged in these professional activities. What could be more demoralizing for those in the professions and discouraging for those entering the professions? This holds even more so for a priest, who not only has a period of long preparation, but also makes lifelong commitments, such as celibacy, before he can be ordained.

  "Even barbers and plumbers wouldn’t stand for that; but somehow Clark feels the priesthood is superfluous."

  Also speaking at the meeting was St. Bernard’s liturgy professor, Fr. Robert Kennedy, who exulted: "We have had for more than 25 years, a wonderful, rich experience of lay preaching in this diocese. It is a rich blessing and is part of what is playing into these norms."

  (Kennedy, Wanderer readers will recall, told a March 1996 gathering that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality [see The Wanderer, April 18, 1996]. At the 1997 meeting of the National Association of Catholic Diocesan Lesbian and Gay Ministries, held in Rochester, Kennedy told his audience, "I am trying to figure out who I am and what makes me tick. . . . Here I am in midlife. I wonder when I will get to mature adulthood.")

  Also on hand for the event was Joan Workmaster, who heads the diocese’s Office of Worship.

  Workmaster, who frequently is at Clark’s side during the celebration of special Masses, told the group that the hardest part of the new norms for many to accept will be the prohibition of laity reading the Gospel. According to the report on the meeting published in the diocesan newspaper, The Catholic Courier, Workmaster explained that there is "no detailed text in Church law as to why this practice is reserved for a priest or deacon. She ventured that the Gospel’s relevance to the liturgy is so vital that ‘at that particular time the ordained would come in.’

  "She said many lay people who have preached in place of the homily and read the Gospel have done so with good intentions, commenting, ‘I think it came out of the recognition of the value of lay participation in the diocese. I don’t think anybody engaged in it was doing anything radical’," reported Mike Latona.

  "But she remarked that the ‘climate of the times’ — a thrust from Rome for all U.S. dioceses ‘to look more closely at what they’re doing’ — lent to the development of norms for the Rochester Diocese."

  Last November, the U.S. bishops approved complementary legislation for canon 766 of the Code of Canon Law, on "Lay Preaching," which received a recognitio from the Holy See two weeks later.

  The norm states: "Preaching the Word of God is among the principal duties of those who have received the Sacrament of Orders (cc. 762-764). The lay faithful can be called to cooperate in the exercise of the Ministry of the Word (c. 759). In accord with canon 766 the National Conference of Catholic Bishops hereby decrees that the lay faithful may be permitted to exercise this ministry in churches and oratories, with due regard for the following provisions:

  "If necessity requires it in certain circumstances or it seems useful in particular cases, the diocesan bishop can admit lay faithful to preach, to offer spiritual conferences or give instructions in churches, oratories or other sacred places within his diocese, when he judges it to be to the spiritual advantage of the faithful.

  "In order to assist the diocesan bishop in making an appropriate pastoral decision (Interdicasterial Instruction, Ecclesiae de Mysterio, Article 2 ss3), the following circumstances and cases are illustrative: the absence or shortage of clergy, particular language requirements, or the demonstrated expertise or experience of the lay faithful concerned.

  "The lay faithful who are to be admitted to preach in a church or oratory must be orthodox in faith, and well-qualified, both by the witness of their lives as Christians and by a preparation for preaching appropriate to the circumstances.

  "The diocesan bishop will determine the appropriate situations in accord with canon 772ss1. In providing for preaching by the lay faithful the diocesan bishop may never dispense from the norm which reserves the homily to the sacred ministers (c. 767ss1; cfr. Pontifical Commission for the Authentic Interpretation of the Code of Canon Law, 26 May 1987, in AAS 79 [1987], 1249). Preaching by the lay faithful may not take place within the Celebration of the Eucharist at the moment reserved for the homily."

  It is anticipated the Diocese of Rochester’s new norms will not only preserve lay preaching in those places where it is a tradition, but will encourage other parishes that have not adapted the practice "to feel more comfortable doing so," Workmaster told the Courier.

  For those who fear the new norms will restrict lay preaching, Workmaster said many opportunities for lay preaching remain, such as when a priest doesn’t have time to prepare a homily, at parish missions and retreats and other non-eucharistic celebrations.

  Kennedy added that the new norms do not cover every situation where and when laity can preach, and that it will take time to define such terms as "useful" and "necessary."

  Among the canon law experts at the May 4 meeting at St. Bernard’s was Fr. John Huels, from St. Paul University in Ottawa, who offered a way around Church law restricting laity from preaching during the "moment reserved for the homily."

  "Perhaps most importantly for lay preachers," wrote Latona, "Church law does not prohibit the practice of a priest or deacon giving a brief homily during Mass — Fr. Huels uses the term ‘homilette’ — and then giving way to a lay person. Fr. Huels added that the lay preacher should immediately follow the homily, rather than speak after Communion — a slot where announcements and brief talks are often made — because worshipers aren’t as attentive by that time."

  Also quoted in Latona’s lengthy feature report for the May 9 Catholic Courier was Fr. Gary Tyman, one of 22 diocesan priests who regularly celebrated Dignity Masses in the diocese.

  Tyman said the new norms would affect him and his preacher, Rose Davis, who preaches every six weeks at Holy Rosary and Precious Blood Parishes. "...[T]o comply with the diocesan norms," Latona wrote, "he now plans to offer a reflection during the spot reserved for the homily whenever Davis preaches. Fr. Tyman added that he considers Davis’ role vital for the parish.

  " ‘She’s a very fine, a very good preacher. She does a good job of exploring the Scriptures and connecting to what’s going on in people’s lives,’ Fr. Tyman commented. He added that Davis does not read the Gospel when she preaches, although that custom did exist while he was Catholic chaplain at the University of Rochester."

  Another revelation in Latona’s report is that the diocese is forming a committee, to be in place by July 1, to clear lay people to preach.

  "The norms state," wrote Latona, "that all preachers — ordained and non-ordained — should exhibit such traits as good maturity, critical theological reflection, communication skills, and academic preparation. And all preachers are now required to attend at least one preaching-related workshop, seminar, or course per year. . . .

  "Workmaster sees these requirements as elevating an already high quality of preaching in this diocese. . . .

  "The norms . . . have been in the works for nearly three years. They were primarily developed by Fr. Robert J. Kennedy, a longtime professor of liturgy; Franciscan Sr. Chris Treichel, pastoral association at Sacred Heart in Auburn; and Workmaster. The process involved consultation with several diocesan committees."

[ThomasMore]

The Church in America doesn't all look like Albany, and New Jersey, and Richmond...

Clark has been pushing for a more protestantized church since he was consecrated as bishop! Get him and the other heterodox dissenters out of the Chancery and watch the increase in vocations.

[dansangel]

PING

[WriteOn]

I was at similarly at such a funeral for Father Al Lauer.

I give the Holy Spirit a little more credit than you seem to and find hope in dioceses' like those of Bishop Bruskewitz!

I also have a good deal of hope for the fruits of Catholic homeschooling. We will see in an increase in vocations as Catholic homeschooling matures.

Dioceses with bad bishops are known by their fruits or lack thereof and I feel sorry for the good Catholics who will suffer for it. I myself will move should it come to that to be where a good church, priest and diocese exists.

[Goetz_von_Berlichingen]

"As part of the planning, strict guidelines have been set:
The church service called "Sunday Celebration in the Absence of a Priest," a communion service, can only be used in short-term emergencies."

Yes, indeed! Strict guidelines, like the prohibition of altargirls, the command that Latin and plainchant should continue to be used, and that there should be a wide and generous application of the Indult.

Since the liturgical terrorists have been getting away with cultural murder since V-2, I have no doubt whatsoever that the majority of Catholics in this country are actually gullible enough to believe that these "strict guidelines" are more than temporary window dressing. It's just one more step towards the ordination of priestesses.

Once the Earth Mother types have taken over the actual running of the parishes, the priests will be reduced to the status of powerless figureheads, like the Vizier/Sultan relationship in the old Ottoman Empire. Then we'll see how "short-term emergencies" is really defined.

[ventana]

Yikes! I'm teaching confirmation to a bunch of eighth graders who know nothing about their faith, other then the touchy feely stuff, are in public schools, are dumbed down and can barely read, and who rarely attend mass. The situation ain't good. Plus, I don't use the totem "Power Speaker" to pass around the class, so it's mainly direct instruction. Oh, and I don't use values clarification techniques, even thought they are widely recommeded by the text. I am, however, playing segments from John Huston's The Bible, to educate them about Adam and Eve, man's fall, original sin and God's revelation to Abraham. Right now, we're on Noah. (I am sure they think I am a looney). I also reference Lord of the Rings and other movies from contemporary culture to emphasize that the reason movies have stories about good and evil is because, from our beginning, there began a battle between good and evil and it is real, and that stories only reflect our reality. V's wife.

[Maximilian]

Years ago when Catholic families were larger, there was great pride if at least one of the kids would become a priest, religious brother or sister. With one or two-kid families, it seems parents do not nurture any vocation that may be there.

You make an excellent point, one that was also made by Pope Pius XII in his "Address to Large Families." He pointed out that large families are the natural source of vocations, both for spiritual and for practical reasons.

Pope Pius XII Address to Large Familes

[ultima ratio]

I quit the Novus Ordo when I got tired of the obvious. If God Himself were believed to be actually and truly present, would people behave so casually about it? Would kneeling be eliminated during the Consecration or communion rails be ripped out? Would the text itself ignore His Real Presence while making a fuss over his spiritual presence in the congregation? The awesomeness of the truth of Christ's Real Presence should stun us to silence and humility. Instead, we get noisier and noisier and more and more self-focused. The Novus Ordo Mass may be valid, but it is nevertheless an enormous deception and very harmful to the Catholic faith. And it has led logically to this: an absence of the priest altogether. What need is there for a priesthood when there is no belief in a real sacrifice? Without such a belief, what reason would there be to offer up one's life to celibacy? Only the dignity of the office of one who truly immolates on the altar can possibly compensate for such a personal immolation.

[Flying Circus]

The church service called "Sunday Celebration in the Absence of a Priest," a communion service, can only be used in short-term emergencies.

Kinda like extraordinary eucharistic ministers. How long until this becomes the norm in these diocese?

[Maximilian]

I also have a good deal of hope for the fruits of Catholic homeschooling. We will see in an increase in vocations as Catholic homeschooling matures.

Very good point about Catholic home-schooling. On the other hand, it points out the importance of taking our children out of these so-called Catholic institutions if we want to see a restoration in the Church.

I give the Holy Spirit a little more credit than you seem to and find hope in dioceses' like those of Bishop Bruskewitz!

Please let's not blame the Holy Spirit for what's going on. God's permissive will allows evil to occur, but He never intends for these scandals to take place. As Jesus said, "Scandal will inevitably occur, but woe to that man by whom by they happen."

[Dusty Rose]

Thank you for posting the Address to Large Families by Pope Pius XII. I enjoyed reading it. I am reminded that the evil of abortion is wrecking havoc in our society and in our church. Most people just don't get it. This "private action" has social consequences.

[Rum Tum Tugger]

I am happy to be able to report that the shortage of priests will soon be over.

My Bishop Robert Lynch (St. Petersburg Diocese) has publicly stated that after JP II is gone, celibacy will end and women will be ordained to the priesthood. That should solve the priest shortage. Hallelujah!!! It's heart-warming to know that I live in a modern Catholic Diocese. The Holy Spirit moves in mysterious ways if you are a miscreant, gay Bishop.

Long live JP II!!!

[Loyalist]

Kinda like extraordinary eucharistic ministers. How long until this becomes the norm in these diocese?

This has been the plan all along, by certain well-placed members of the higher echelons, to eliminate the sacramental priesthood. You won't see a word of it on paper anywhere. But I'm sure the various national bishops' conferences, synods and their fellow-travellers in the Curia have been planning this all along.