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15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense [THE FINAL DEBUNKING]
Scientific American ^ | 17 June 2002 | John Rennie

Posted on 06/17/2002 3:10:50 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

Opponents of evolution want to make a place for creationism by tearing down real science, but their arguments don't hold up

When Charles Darwin introduced the theory of evolution through natural selection 143 years ago, the scientists of the day argued over it fiercely, but the massing evidence from paleontology, genetics, zoology, molecular biology and other fields gradually established evolution's truth beyond reasonable doubt. Today that battle has been won everywhere--except in the public imagination.

Embarrassingly, in the 21st century, in the most scientifically advanced nation the world has ever known, creationists can still persuade politicians, judges and ordinary citizens that evolution is a flawed, poorly supported fantasy. They lobby for creationist ideas such as "intelligent design" to be taught as alternatives to evolution in science classrooms. As this article goes to press, the Ohio Board of Education is debating whether to mandate such a change. Some antievolutionists, such as Philip E. Johnson, a law professor at the University of California at Berkeley and author of Darwin on Trial, admit that they intend for intelligent-design theory to serve as a "wedge" for reopening science classrooms to discussions of God.

Besieged teachers and others may increasingly find themselves on the spot to defend evolution and refute creationism. The arguments that creationists use are typically specious and based on misunderstandings of (or outright lies about) evolution, but the number and diversity of the objections can put even well-informed people at a disadvantage.

To help with answering them, the following list rebuts some of the most common "scientific" arguments raised against evolution. It also directs readers to further sources for information and explains why creation science has no place in the classroom.

1. Evolution is only a theory. It is not a fact or a scientific law. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

2. Natural selection is based on circular reasoning: the fittest are those who survive, and those who survive are deemed fittest. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

3. Evolution is unscientific, because it is not testable or falsifiable. It makes claims about events that were not observed and can never be re-created. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

4. Increasingly, scientists doubt the truth of evolution. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

5. The disagreements among even evolutionary biologists show how little solid science supports evolution. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

6. If humans descended from monkeys, why are there still monkeys? [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

7. Evolution cannot explain how life first appeared on earth. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

8. Mathematically, it is inconceivable that anything as complex as a protein, let alone a living cell or a human, could spring up by chance. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

9. The Second Law of Thermodynamics says that systems must become more disordered over time. Living cells therefore could not have evolved from inanimate chemicals, and multicellular life could not have evolved from protozoa. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

10. Mutations are essential to evolution theory, but mutations can only eliminate traits. They cannot produce new features. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

11. Natural selection might explain microevolution, but it cannot explain the origin of new species and higher orders of life. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

12. Nobody has ever seen a new species evolve. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

13. Evolutionists cannot point to any transitional fossils--creatures that are half reptile and half bird, for instance. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

14. Living things have fantastically intricate features--at the anatomical, cellular and molecular levels--that could not function if they were any less complex or sophisticated. The only prudent conclusion is that they are the products of intelligent design, not evolution. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

15. Recent discoveries prove that even at the microscopic level, life has a quality of complexity that could not have come about through evolution. [Rebuttal omitted to save space. See the original article.]

CONCLUSION
"Creation science" is a contradiction in terms. A central tenet of modern science is methodological naturalism--it seeks to explain the universe purely in terms of observed or testable natural mechanisms. Thus, physics describes the atomic nucleus with specific concepts governing matter and energy, and it tests those descriptions experimentally. Physicists introduce new particles, such as quarks, to flesh out their theories only when data show that the previous descriptions cannot adequately explain observed phenomena. The new particles do not have arbitrary properties, moreover--their definitions are tightly constrained, because the new particles must fit within the existing framework of physics.

In contrast, intelligent-design theorists invoke shadowy entities that conveniently have whatever unconstrained abilities are needed to solve the mystery at hand. Rather than expanding scientific inquiry, such answers shut it down. (How does one disprove the existence of omnipotent intelligences?)

Intelligent design offers few answers. For instance, when and how did a designing intelligence intervene in life's history? By creating the first DNA? The first cell? The first human? Was every species designed, or just a few early ones? Proponents of intelligent-design theory frequently decline to be pinned down on these points. They do not even make real attempts to reconcile their disparate ideas about intelligent design. Instead they pursue argument by exclusion--that is, they belittle evolutionary explanations as far-fetched or incomplete and then imply that only design-based alternatives remain.

Logically, this is misleading: even if one naturalistic explanation is flawed, it does not mean that all are. Moreover, it does not make one intelligent-design theory more reasonable than another. Listeners are essentially left to fill in the blanks for themselves, and some will undoubtedly do so by substituting their religious beliefs for scientific ideas.

Time and again, science has shown that methodological naturalism can push back ignorance, finding increasingly detailed and informative answers to mysteries that once seemed impenetrable: the nature of light, the causes of disease, how the brain works. Evolution is doing the same with the riddle of how the living world took shape. Creationism, by any name, adds nothing of intellectual value to the effort.

The Author(s):

John Rennie is editor in chief of Scientific American.


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To: Physicist
I can't help but laugh as I read your pedantic explaination of what every freshman college student knows. My God, pick up a book by Hawking and you'll learn as much. *sigh*
881 posted on 06/18/2002 6:03:36 AM PDT by That Subliminal Kid
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To: yendu bwam
Most conservatives oppose abortion.
But think nothing of the death penalty or killing someone they dislike

Bearing false witness against someone is okay...as long as it fits in the accepted agenda.

I notice that you did not address the other examples I mentioned.
882 posted on 06/18/2002 6:12:55 AM PDT by newcats
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To: That Subliminal Kid
You know exactly what people are speaking about, and you know damned good and well that they don't intend to imply that time as we experience it existed before the big fat bang.

As a matter of fact, I don't know what else it could mean. I no more know what they mean by "before the Big Bang" (unless they think that the physical dimension of time stretches infinitely far back) than I know what they'd mean by "south of the South Pole". Perhaps you can explain it to me.

But at any rate, I can tell you from experience that most people do think that time reaches infinitely far back, and are surprised to learn that the dimension curves back upon itself. You may congratulate yourself on knowing better.

883 posted on 06/18/2002 6:45:28 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: Physicist
With apologies for being off-topic but since you are superbly good at explaining physics, I have a question for you. Is acceleration mathematically equivalent to gravity? If so, are there other equivalences or similarities that have been overlooked by the profession in its attempt to explain gravity? Why would there be such similarity or equivalence? It's probably a "dumb" physics question but I don't mind if others here don't.
884 posted on 06/18/2002 6:47:06 AM PDT by Phaedrus
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To: Junior
"They work, too."

Yes, they do.

885 posted on 06/18/2002 6:48:50 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: That Subliminal Kid
to work out some bizzare psycho-masturbatory frustrations you have. That's the only possible explaination

We are suitably impressed with the scope of your ability to come up with "possible explanations." I guess it explains your kneejerk faith in fairy tales.

886 posted on 06/18/2002 6:49:08 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: Phaedrus
Is acceleration mathematically equivalent to gravity?

No. Take a vertical displacement -- the force of acceleration will be constant, the force of gravity will decline proportional to the inverse square of the displacement.

887 posted on 06/18/2002 6:51:10 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: Junior
That is really strange calling cretigo on yourself and even incorrectly using a source. This is a description of a molten sea(A metal swimming pool, I guess) not the mathematical description of pi.
888 posted on 06/18/2002 6:52:59 AM PDT by AndrewC
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To: Phaedrus
I have a question for you. Is acceleration mathematically equivalent to gravity?

That is "sort of" the basis of general relativity.

889 posted on 06/18/2002 6:55:22 AM PDT by AndrewC
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To: gore3000
it is not an ad hominem. It is a factually correct statement.

Sigh. So much ignorance, so little time. ad hominem is a fallacy of irrelevance. The truth or falsity of an irrelevant statement is, well, irrelevant.

890 posted on 06/18/2002 6:55:30 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: Phaedrus
This is a basic postulate of the Theory of General Relativity. It states that a uniform gravitational field (like that near the Earth) is equivalent to a uniform acceleration.

General Relativity

891 posted on 06/18/2002 6:58:45 AM PDT by AndrewC
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To: jlogajan
We are suitably impressed with the scope of your ability to come up with "possible explanations." I guess it explains your kneejerk faith in fairy tales.

Nahhh, that's just his obsession with the word psycho-masturbatory. He wields those words like one of those oversized wifflebats--sure it's easy to hit someone, but it doesn't do anything but annoy the person you are hitting. I'm still waiting for something of substance from this one.

892 posted on 06/18/2002 6:59:42 AM PDT by ThinkPlease
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To: jlogajan
Logjam, there's no reason to get all pissy just because I've pointed out something that's probably obvious to anyone with half a brain and one partially working eye. Seriously man, actions speak louder than words and yours are telling us volumes about your inner turmoil. It's time to seek professional help.
893 posted on 06/18/2002 7:01:24 AM PDT by That Subliminal Kid
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To: AndrewC
It states that a uniform gravitational field (like that near the Earth) is equivalent to a uniform acceleration.

That would be erroneous. The force of acceleration is constant at all vertical displacements. The force of gravity varies with the inverse square of the vertical displacement.

Only in the end case where vertical displacements are zero is there an apparent equivalence. Hence for all non-zero dimensions, gravity and acceleration behave differently.

894 posted on 06/18/2002 7:01:35 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: Physicist
I enjoy science, and I read books. The concept of a singularity isn't very hard to comprehend. Most scientists that I've read including Paul Davies, Roger Penrose, and Stephen Hawking, believe something caused the big fat bang. Watching Hawking wax poetic about imaginary time is something to see!
895 posted on 06/18/2002 7:03:15 AM PDT by That Subliminal Kid
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To: That Subliminal Kid
Logjam

Cool, now you're reduced to making fun of ethnic names. You're winning converts to Christianity right and left. You are truly doing the Lord's work. Keep it up. The Churches will be overflowing soon and new construction will have to start in earnest.

896 posted on 06/18/2002 7:03:41 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: AndrewC
Thanks, Andrew (my son's name BTW). So the equivalence is there. My question goes as much to why and implications, though, appreciating that these may be near-unanswerable. If anyone has a shot or can shed light, however, I would think Physicist can.
897 posted on 06/18/2002 7:04:56 AM PDT by Phaedrus
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To: AndrewC
This is a description of a molten sea(A metal swimming pool, I guess) not the mathematical description of pi.

And Genesis is not a scientific description of the origins of the universe.

898 posted on 06/18/2002 7:10:30 AM PDT by Junior
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To: jlogajan
Hence for all non-zero dimensions, gravity and acceleration behave differently.

Go get your Nobel Prize, you've disproved Einstein's Principle of Equivalence

Principle of Equivalence

Experiments performed in a uniformly accelerating reference frame with acceleration a are indistinguishable from the same experiments performed in a non-accelerating reference frame which is situated in a gravitational field where the acceleration of gravity = g = -a = intensity of gravity field. One way of stating this fundamental principle of general relativity is to say that gravitational mass is identical to inertial mass. One of the implications of the principle of equivalence is that since photons have momentum and therefore must be attributed an inertial mass, they must also have a gravitational mass. Thus photons should be deflected by gravity. They should also be impeded in their escape from a gravity field, leading to the gravitational red shift and the concept of a black hole. It also leads to gravitational lens effects.
Index

General relativity ideas
  HyperPhysics***** Relativity

900 posted on 06/18/2002 7:16:23 AM PDT by AndrewC
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