I had some good news last week, my blood test showed I haven’t a cholesterol problem, or a sugar problem, but the Doctor recommended I loose some weight to keep it that way, so that’s why I’ve been working out more.
v. our discussion began when I read your post to CD, about Paul in 1 Cor 9:27 saying that, “Paul says he can loose his salvation.”
I posted #51,380, and 51,381, and you responded the next morning in post # 51,389 and failed to address a single scripture out of the 17 I had given you, so my study was a waste since they didn’t seem to warrant a mention from you.
That’s why I didn’t bother going into James 1:12, because I knew from that, you would ignore it also, but at least I got your attention, and then some. Lol
You seemed to take my silence as an admission I had no answer, so by those same standards I can assume that’s why you didn’t answer the 17 scriptures I gave you rebutting 1 Cor 9:29.
Okay, here is my answer to James 1:12, and if you fail to answer it, I’ll assume you have no answer.
By the way, one of the scriptures I had asked you to explain what it meant to you that you ignored was……..
1 Cor 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
Please don’t look up someone else’s answer, but search the Spirit for the answer, as I do. Now, back to James 1:12………………
v. - James 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
There is more then one crown promised to us in the scripture, this particular one is for our perseverance and endurance over a long period of time. Another one is the crown of righteousness which Paul talks about in 2 Timothy, that I’ll go into in a minute..
James is saying that when a man learns to resist temptation, he becomes strong, and when trials come along in his life, the strength he develops, will see him through these trials of life. Now, by coming through life’s trials, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
Now notice this,….. the crown of life is not a pendant, or a badge, or symbol to show you have now been given eternal life, it’s a crown to show you endured earthly trials and temptations.
Now, there’s another crown besides the one that James mentioned, 2 Timothy 4:8, Paul tells us that we have another crown besides the crown of life which is for enduring, and it’s called the crown of righteousness, and it’s given to those who love the Lord and love His appearing.
This would be the crown that welcomes us as part of the saved, those who are secure for eternity. I think of it as being similar to the “Marines Basic Metal” that all of us Marines received just because we were Marines.
2 Tim 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
This crown is different then the one for endurance, its given to those who have longed for His return, and then love His appearance. (Appearance/the advent of Christ)
There are several other crowns that will be given at the judgment, but these two cover the subject of which crown James and Paul were talking about.
So James is telling us that we will receive a crown for endurance, and Paul is telling us that everyone who has eternal life will receive the crown of righteousness. Both crowns are a token of our love for God, but one is a specific reward for hanging in there, and the other is for our faith that we would be given eternal life.
JH :-)
First of all. Scripture does not rebut Scripture. Scripture can explain or enrich another Scripture, but it cannot make it meaningless. Secondly, I did respond to all your posts.
By the way, one of the scriptures I had asked you to explain what it meant to you that you ignored was??..
1 Cor 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
Please don't look up someone else's answer, but search the Spirit for the answer, as I do.
Please look over my response in post 51389, you will find I have already responded to your query as to 1 Cor 3:14. It did not occur to me to look up someone else's answer, although I am certain there are those who have already provided inciteful analyses that we could all benefit from reading, or quoting.
...failed to address a single scripture out of the 17 I had given you, so my study was a waste since they didn't seem to warrant a mention from you.
I did specifically address one of your passages in James 1:12, perhaps you did not notice it was among the passages you had posted.
I did not respond to each and every scripture because all 7 (outside of counting every verse of 1 Cor 9:17-27) were supporting the same point, which I feel is misguided.
All of the theorizing about the various crowns is very creative, overlooking only one thing. All of these crowns are one crown, and one thing, the thing that Jesus promised us.
Incorruptible Crown=Eternal Life
Crown of Life=Eternal Life
Crown of Righteousness=Eternal Life
Crown for standing fast=Eternal Life
Crown of Rejoicing=Eternal Life
I think James 1:12 makes that more than clear.
James 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
Jesus made no promise of a Crown. What was the promise? Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. There it is, that's "The Crown." And how shall this be? James 1:12 tells you all you need to know: Because you resisted the world. And how shall this be? 1 Cor 9:27 tells you all you need to know: Because you kept "under your body" (resisted temptation). Because you kept running. So that you would not be Castaway/Reprobate/unapproved.
And if I may be so bold as to argue your side. (other side speaks) "It says there, RIGHT THERE, that all you have to do is believe!" (other side finishes speaking, for that is the entire argument)
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
By all means believe Him. Believe every word He told you. Believe a book filled to overflowing about resisting sin, and being sent out into the fields to work, and about putting on his yoke. Believe his apostles exhorting to all who would listen to resist, to endure, and to run.
But don't believe it when someone tells you that once you are saved you are always saved, because that's not scriptural.
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