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To: AlguyA; CindyDawg
I know you were joking. And, frankly, in general I would agree. But just out of curiosity, consider these questions. First, in which nation -the United States or Mexico- is the per capita rate of Bible-ownership higher? Now, in which nation is the abortion rate higher? (Hint: Abortion is illegal in Mexico.)

Just something interesting to consider.


Forgetting, for a while, that the United States is a pluralistic society, why don't you compare the birth rate in Ireland or Italy with the United States. Now tell me how that low birth rate is attained.

IOW, your question has no validity.

47,559 posted on 04/21/2003 7:34:00 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE ((I am a cult of one! UNITARJEWMIAN))
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To: OLD REGGIE
"Forgetting, for a while, that the United States is a pluralistic society, why don't you compare the birth rate in Ireland or Italy with the United States. Now tell me how that low birth rate is attained.

IOW, your question has no validity.

First, thanks for your earlier comments about my post on prayer. Sorry, but I had to run errands this morning and just got home so I didn't see it till now.

Now, to this issue. I don't think this does make my question invalid at all. I think you might interpret it that way since I think you read into my comment that I was using Mexico because its Catholic. In fact, I think the cases you cite of Ireland and Italy are good examples of what I am saying.

My point is having access to the Truth, whether that Truth be the Bible or Church Teaching based on the Bible or whatever, is not sufficient. One must also have the desire to practice that truth. Italy (and we've discussed Ireland, before, and I'm still not convinced it has a significantly low birth rate vis-a-vis other European countries) is a prime example of this. Correct me if I'm wrong, but abortion is legal in Italy, isn't it? Thus, even though Italy is supposed to be a Catholic country fully steeped in the dogmas of the Truth, its apparent said Truth has little impact on society, today.

47,577 posted on 04/21/2003 7:49:18 AM PDT by AlguyA (I'm giving up tag lines for Lent.)
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To: OLD REGGIE
I know you were joking. And, frankly, in general I would agree. But just out of curiosity, consider these questions. First, in which nation -the United States or Mexico- is the per capita rate of Bible-ownership higher? Now, in which nation is the abortion rate higher? (Hint: Abortion is illegal in Mexico.) Just something interesting to consider. Forgetting, for a while, that the United States is a pluralistic society, why don't you compare the birth rate in Ireland or Italy with the United States. Now tell me how that low birth rate is attained. IOW, your question has no validity.

You can't equate this Reggie. First of all you would need to have some kind of way to count who has Bibles and then you would have to determine who reads them. Having a big one on your coffee table that no one ever opens wouldn't count. We can't hid our heads in the sand though. America does have a problem, regardless of how much or how little other countries do, don't you think?

47,907 posted on 04/21/2003 5:14:41 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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