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The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)
Associated Press ^ | 3/24/01

Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi

The Neverending Story
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To: JHavard
Mark 16:12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

How many different forms could Jesus appear in, after He had received His glorified body?

The word form here does not mean a different body , it means in a different manner . How he appeared to the eye when she saw Him

This is from Gill (a scholar that spoke all Biblical languages.)

Verse 12. After that,.... A little time, or some few hours after, on the selfsame day; see Luke 24:13; he appeared in another form: it seems to have been the form, or habit of a gardener that he appeared in to Mary; since she thought him to be one, and to be the gardener that belonged to the garden, in which the sepulchre was: but now it was in another form, or habit, that he appeared; very likely in the habit of a Scribe, or doctor; since he took upon him to expound the Scriptures to the persons he appeared to; as also took bread, and blessed it, when at supper with them, Luke 24:27. According to the Jewish canons {m} "if two persons eat together, and one of them is a Scribe, and the other an unlearned man, Krbm rpwo, "the Scribe blesses," and the unlearned man is excused." This is not to be understood of any change in the shape of his body, or the features of his face; for as soon as their eyes were opened, which had been before held, they knew him perfectly well: whereas, if there had been such an alteration made in him, that he could not have been known for the same, there would have been no need of holding their eyes, that they should not know him, Luke 24:16.

This appearance was unto two of them; one of them was Cleophas, or Alphaeus, which is the same, Luke 24:18; the other is by some {n} thought to be Simon Peter, from what is said in Luke 24:34 though others {o} think it was Nathanael, and others {p} Luke the evangelist, who conceals his own name, when he mentions the other; and some {q} that his name was Ammaon, which perhaps may be through mistake of the place, Emmaus, where they were going, for the name of one of them, and the appearance to them was, as they walked, and went into the country: to a country village called Emmaus, about sixty furlongs, or seven miles and a half from Jerusalem; see Luke 24:13.

{m} T. Bab. Beracot, fol. 45. 2. {n} Lightfoot, Hor. in. v. 13. & in Luk. xxiv. 13. {o} Epiphan contra Haeres. l. 1. Haeres. 23. {p} Vid. Theophylact. in Luc. xxiv. 13. {q} Ambros in Luc. 12. 49. & 24.

From Matthew Henry

II. He appeared to two of the disciples, as they went into the country, v. 12. This refers, no doubt, to that which is largely related (Lu. 24:13, etc.), of which passed between Christ and the two disciples going to Emmaus. He is here said to have appeared to them in another form, in another dress than what he usually wore, in the form of a traveller, as, in the garden, in such a dress, that Mary Magdalene took him for the gardener; but that he had really his own countenance, appears by this, that their eyes were holden, that they should not know him; and when that restrain on their eyes was taken off, immediately they knew him, Lu. 24:16-31. Now,

1. These two witnesses gave in their testimony to this proof of Christ's resurrection; They went and told it to the residue, v. 13. Being satisfied themselves, they were desirous to give their brethren the satisfaction they had, that they might be comforted as they were

Now your turn explain to me why Jesus would lie?

Luk 24:39   Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

     He used one form here In John, one when he passed through the walls where the believers were gathered, and he used another form when Thomas inspected His wounds, and one when He warned Marry Magdalene not to touch Him, and several other times many did not recognize Him.

Our glorified body will be a new creation , It will not be the body or type of body we have now. Like jesus we may walk through walls and kiss a friend and eat a meal

But it will be physical made new and different , but still of substance .

Remember the reaction of Thomas when He had touched Jesus ? He said " My Lord and my God"

it was the physical appearance of his murdered Rabbi that made him fall to his knees. That resurrection is proof that the sacrifice was accepted .

Will our body only have one state, or many as Jesus did?

Jesus only had one state a glorified one .

65,241 posted on 08/17/2003 10:14:11 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: restornu
tis true:>)
65,242 posted on 08/17/2003 10:14:45 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: malakhi
300 299 posts until thread implosion! ;o)

I think I will stay up all night and post pictures :>)

65,243 posted on 08/17/2003 10:16:23 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: malakhi
More than a superficial resemblance.......
65,244 posted on 08/17/2003 10:16:36 PM PDT by CARepubGal
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To: nobdysfool
Good post
65,245 posted on 08/17/2003 10:17:27 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: JHavard; DouglasKC; RnMomof7
Will our body only have one state, or many as Jesus did?

As I understand it, we will have bodies like unto His own Glorious body. By reading what he did after His resurrection in His appearances to those whom He appeared to, we can get an idea of what our new bodies will be able to do. Walking through walls implies that physical limitations of mass and solidity no longer apply. It would seem reasonable to postulate that distance will no longer be a limitation. We will be able to eat, drink, touch, be touched, and have all of the senses we now enjoy, but also abilities we do not now have. Possibly even being able to change or alter our appearance, as Jesus did. The body itself will be flesh and bone, as is Jesus' Glorified body, but it is glorified incorruptible flesh and bone, and capable of manifestation in and traversing through both the physical and the spiritual worlds.

65,246 posted on 08/17/2003 10:46:30 PM PDT by nobdysfool (Let God be true, and every man a liar...)
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To: CARepubGal
More than a superficial resemblance.......

I present the following disturbing image with apologies to those of you with young children or sensitive natures...


65,247 posted on 08/17/2003 10:47:08 PM PDT by malakhi (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.)
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To: malakhi; ksen; Corin Stormhands
ROFLOLOLOLOL! That is awesome. True to life.... :-)
65,248 posted on 08/17/2003 10:51:21 PM PDT by CARepubGal
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To: JHavard; DouglasKC
***drstevej, you may not be aware of it, but Doug was searching for Christ when he began posting here and later he made his decision and was baptized. Hopefully after that, his idea of humor has changed since becoming a child of God, and one who will eventually be in God’s kingdom. ***

The urination comment appears on his profile page currently. What's your point?
65,249 posted on 08/18/2003 12:42:31 AM PDT by drstevej
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To: DouglasKC; CARepubGal
You should know not to ask anyone who's been disagreeing with me for three days what doctrine I believe.

Why, because you won't be able to give your filtered spin?

65,250 posted on 08/18/2003 3:16:09 AM PDT by Wrigley
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To: First Conservative
I don't, as I clearly stated It is not because of our works that we "Earn" salvation. It is through works (resisting temptation) that we endure to the end and claim our inheritance as is quite clearly stated by James. How do you and your's get around this passage from James
65,251 posted on 08/18/2003 3:42:30 AM PDT by ventana
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To: al_c; newgeezer
Oh no, whatdi miss?
65,252 posted on 08/18/2003 5:31:14 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: biblewonk
The Assumption of Mary
65,253 posted on 08/18/2003 5:47:22 AM PDT by ventana
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To: ventana
Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he, who hath begun a good work in you, will perfect it unto the day of Christ Jesus.

How do you and yours get around this one ?

65,254 posted on 08/18/2003 5:53:03 AM PDT by Quester
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To: ventana
James is speaking of "showing" saving faith. Both James and Paul use Abraham as their example. Paul is speaking of Abraham's being declared righteous by trusting God, (Gen. 15:6), James says that Abraham showed his righteouness by his offereing of Isaac, (Gen. 22:9). There is a difference.

Becky

65,255 posted on 08/18/2003 5:53:07 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain (Prov. 9:7-8)
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To: OLD REGGIE; PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
OK. Let's just agree to not argue the Trinity.

Wow Reggie. You got off a lot easier than I did. :-)

65,256 posted on 08/18/2003 5:55:45 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Quester
I asked first. Howaboutit?
65,257 posted on 08/18/2003 5:57:08 AM PDT by ventana
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
James speaks of a threat to our salvation which is overcome by resistance (a work). If not overcome, it results in death (losing salvation).

v.

65,258 posted on 08/18/2003 6:01:37 AM PDT by ventana
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To: ventana
Guess eternal life ain't eternal.
Guess whom he justified, some he glorified.
65,259 posted on 08/18/2003 6:03:28 AM PDT by drstevej
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To: ventana
I'm sorry I thought you all were talking about a different verse.
Where does James say you loose your salvation?

Becky
65,260 posted on 08/18/2003 6:04:46 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain (Prov. 9:7-8)
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