The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)

Associated Press ^ | 3/24/01

[malakhi]

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.

Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams

Previous Thread

[CindyDawg]

Mack, did Becky see my post about buying a used horse?

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

If its whole life you're losing money. Its sold on the basis its an investement and it builds cash value, they tell ya you will be earning interest, what they don't tell ya its about 1.3%. Worse yet is the fact that you never receive it. The ins co has found a way to pay all the interest, not to you, but to itself. The interest earned is added to your cash value.

Say you buy a whole life policy at age 35, death benefit $100.000 after paying a premium of $1,300 for 20 years you have $35,400 cash value, you die at age 55, you would think your family would get 135,400 right? Wrong! Your family only gets face value $100.000 Where did that 35,400 go? In their pockets. If ya borrow it before your dead, they take it out of the face value and your family gets $64,600. Its sucks

BigMack

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Dave you too can have more that one egg in your basket. What if the people who manage your 401k lose?

BigMack

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Yeah I told her, she has been out most of the day, she will get with ya later I bet.

BigMack

[CindyDawg]

Thanks

[Invincibly Ignorant]

how do I know I got this face value stuff?

[ventana]

OK. Thanks for clarifying your point of view.

So that only leaves 10 you ignored then, Okay.

Well no, those first ten were the Scripture I posted to start this whole thing off. You already had my opinion on that.

I naturally still don't accept that Scripture trumps Scripture. It can't. And we are just going to have to disagree on the Crowns I guess. I am obviously not knocking any scales off your eyes.

Finally, I never intimated you did not believe in good works. My closing comment was an observation on the amount/percentage of Scripture you require to be saved. Or perhaps the amount of Scripture you are required to observe/believe in order to be saved.

You have made a choice as to whether Believe simply means "Believe in Me", or whether Believe means "Believe in who I am and follow these instructions." In a Book so filled with instructions and additional requirements, I think you have made the wrong choice.

I think the requirement is quite a bit higher than you seem to, but I never implied you or your congregation were not meeting those requirements. (As I said before, it is the weaker lambs that I believe are lost because of OSAS, because if they do not follow the instructions, they will be lost.)

Those requirements, by the way, have not changed, as you joked in your closing paragraph. The entire body of the New Testament contains the entire requirement, and it is because of what is written there that I attempted to clarify what I maintain is your continuing error.

v.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Mack, did Becky see my post about buying a used horse?

You kiddin'? If she saw that post we wouldn't have been talking about what Doug said or didn't say all day. :-)

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

You got a policy? If you do get it and tell me what it says. If not call your ins co and ask them.

BigMack

[Invincibly Ignorant]

You got a policy? If you do get it and tell me what it says. If not call your ins co and ask them.

If I'm remembering correctly we just pay our monthly and then if I kick the bucket the wife gets 250,000 and the kids get 25,000 apiece. There's no gaining interest or collecting what I pay into it or anything.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Find the policy and lets look at what you do have, chances are they are sticking it to ya somehow, they have tons of different types of policy's and most are make to make them money and cost you money.

BigMack

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Mack told me about your post yesterday, but I've been real busy.

I like your question, "used" horse:) HEHEHE, that sounds funny.
But that is actually something hard to find, but make the best horses. Now a days horses are most generally not used enough to make them very good.

I would start looking in the Bargain Post, and there are some on-line sites that sale horses. I'll try and find one that I use to look at.

If you have no experience or not much, you want to get something not younger then 10 yrs. old. Older Roping horses make good horses, Quarter Horses are generally the calmest. Personally I have not experienced much difference between mares and geldings. Some people will tell you geldings make better horses, because they don't have the breeding thing going on.

You have to read between the lines on the ads. If you go look at one, make the people saleing it get on it. Then leave and show up some other time when they are not expecting you.

Ask questions like: will it load in any trailer, will they pay for a vet check, how much has it been rode lately, ask about bad habits, cribbing, eating wood, won;t stand tied, weaving, is it spooky.

What do you want to use the horse for, trails, your grand kids, show horse, rodeo type events,??

Don;t get in a hurry. Don;t be swayed by a "pretty" horse, they can kill you as fast as an ugly one can.

It's kind of a hard question, since I don't know your expericene level, or what you want it for.

You might call around at any stables that are around you and ask if they have anything for sale. Lot's of times they do.

Hope this helps. I'll keep an eye out for something:), How far would you travel to pick one up.

Becky

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

If she saw that post we wouldn't have been talking about what Doug said or didn't say all day. :-)

Yeah, the conversation would have been alot more interesting:)

Becky

[CindyDawg]

I haven't been on a horse since I was 12. Then I didn't mind but now I'm not thrilled about eating dirt., lol. I'm looking for a gentle horse, that is good with kids and is laid back (like me). No shows or anything like that. Just leisurely strolls. I plan on buying one for my birthday in August. I was going to wait until we moved to the lake but I found a place about 3 miles from my house where I can pasture one.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

I'll dig around for it tommorrow and tell ya.

[JHavard]

I naturally still don't accept that Scripture trumps Scripture. It can't. And we are just going to have to disagree on the Crowns I guess. I am obviously not knocking any scales off your eyes.

The problem isn’t Scripture trumping Scripture, its your believing that all Scripture mentioning work, must be pertaining to Salvation, and you seem unwilling to admit the Scripture is clear that there are crowns given for our works.

Since you are wrong on your claim that no one receives crowns, as its obvious you were, then it puts a hole in the middle of your works = Salvation theory.

Finally, I never intimated you did not believe in good works. My closing comment was an observation on the amount/percentage of Scripture you require to be saved. Or perhaps the amount of Scripture you are required to observe/believe in order to be saved. You have made a choice as to whether Believe simply means "Believe in Me", or whether Believe means "Believe in who I am and follow these instructions." In a Book so filled with instructions and additional requirements, I think you have made the wrong choice.

That’s funny, as I read the New Testament, I find very little correction, or as you say things were required to keep. A lot of it is telling us about people who kept adding burdens to the people to secure their own power base, so its there to help us avoid falling into the same trap again.

When Paul and Barnabas went to the Jerusalem Headquarters, to discuss what should be taught to the Gentiles, they all agreed on a simplistic outline of things they should work on.

The Jews kept trying to burden the Gentiles by telling them they had to keep the Law of Moses to be saved, and when they finally got away from that system, the men who were trying to build the church into a mega organization ended up doing the same thing.

I think the requirement is quite a bit higher than you seem to, but I never implied you or your congregation were not meeting those requirements. (As I said before, it is the weaker lambs that I believe are lost because of OSAS, because if they do not follow the instructions, they will be lost.)

Do you believe NC’s loose more people to Satan by teaching them how simple it is to have eternal salvation, then your Church, from the thousands of your own believers who have not only left your Church but have left God over the corruption in your hierarchy?

Those requirements, by the way, have not changed, as you joked in your closing paragraph. The entire body of the New Testament contains the entire requirement, and it is because of what is written there that I attempted to clarify what I maintain is your continuing error.

I am where God put me, so there is no chance I am wrong on my beliefs about Salvation. It would be interesting though to do a study on how much of the NT is required keeping, and how much of it is telling us what we don’t have to do.

With God’s Holy Spirit in our lives, there seems to be no burdens that are required to keep, all we do is allow the Spirit to work in us, and there are no bumps left in the road.

I used to hate having to study the Bible, now I have to force myself to put it down. I used to dread praying, or meditating, and usually fell asleep in the middle, but now I have to make my self get away to other things.

Possibly someday you younger people will have the same blessing, and you’ll see how easy the burden is, and just how light the load. Mt 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

That’s why I have trouble seeing this harsh taskmaster that some of you see or want to see, and that’s why I get so upset when I see how hard you seem to make accepting the free gift of Salvation God has offered you.

JH :-)

[saradippity]

Excuse me for butting in but I just reread the letters to the churches in Apocalypse/Revelations,chapters 2 and 3 and ask that you read it also.To me,it seems impossible to deny that we are judged according to our labours,works,ministries,charity and adherence to doctrine.It also appears that behaviors are included in those things for which we will be judged.And that penance is necessary to rectify failures.

There seems to be no question that man can fall and fail to "overcome" and thereby lose eternal life or the "crown". It talks about resisting temptation and the entire chapters seem to affirm Ventana's contention that one can fall from grace and lose eternal life despite,at one time believing and being faithful.

I would be interested in all of your interpretation of those two chapters since I fail to see how it could be possible to read and understand it differently than I do.But then again I may be one who has eyes but does not see.Thanks for your input. I'ss be especially interested in how you read it JH.

[saradippity]

I'ss ='s I'll

[ventana]

Do you believe NC?s loose more people to Satan by teaching them how simple it is to have eternal salvation, then your Church, from the thousands of your own believers who have not only left your Church but have left God over the corruption in your hierarchy?

I don't know Jim. I certainly see the corruption in the Church as having separated many from God, I believe that has been the main intent from the beginning.

[tHe AnTiLiB]

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