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The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)
Associated Press ^ | 3/24/01

Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.


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To: SoothingDave
It's a TV show.

Last Tuesday was the best one so far. IMO

JH

49,481 posted on 04/29/2003 11:28:57 AM PDT by JHavard
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To: JHavard
Last Tuesday was the best one so far.

No Kim.

SD

49,482 posted on 04/29/2003 11:30:03 AM PDT by SoothingDave (It might behoove me to be heaved)
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To: JHavard
You tell your people that NC's believe that Eternal Salvation means we don't have to do good works. should that disqualify everything else you say?

If I did in fact "tell my people" that, yes it would be disqualifying. But I don't. I have managed to learn.

That was exactly my point, thank you. Now if our other self-proclaimed experts on Catholicism speak easily-proven falsehoods about it, why are they believed?

SD

49,483 posted on 04/29/2003 11:31:39 AM PDT by SoothingDave (It might behoove me to be heaved)
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To: SoothingDave
Small potatoes. I see your Stars decided to play this series after all.

Yes! Man, that game 1 was something else. The Stars were firing them in, but wouldn't follow through. The Duck goalie was playing very well, too.

Y'know ... fans don't think to look at all the key trades the Ducks made late in the season that really helped push their game to the point it is at now. They're definitely Cup contenders.

49,484 posted on 04/29/2003 11:32:05 AM PDT by al_c
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To: Mr. Lucky
Are there really verses of Scripture which some believe support a repudiation by Jesus of His mother?

Repudiation? No!

Providing His perspective (in order to repudiate those who would later "venerate" her)? Absolutely.

49,485 posted on 04/29/2003 11:32:20 AM PDT by newgeezer (fundamentalist, regarding the Constitution AND the Holy Bible)
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To: Mr. Lucky
Are there really verses of Scripture which some believe support a repudiation by Jesus of His mother?

You need to get out more. :-)

SD

49,486 posted on 04/29/2003 11:32:52 AM PDT by SoothingDave (It might behoove me to be heaved)
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To: newgeezer
OK, could you give me a few of these verses so that I might read them in context?
49,487 posted on 04/29/2003 11:34:25 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: al_c
Y'know ... fans don't think to look at all the key trades the Ducks made late in the season that really helped push their game to the point it is at now. They're definitely Cup contenders.

I don't usually pay much attentino to what happens way out west, figuring it will be one of the Big Three as usual. This year is exciting. I'm rooting for the Wild, too.

I think it's NJ or Ottawa in the East. Anybody but Philly.

SD

49,488 posted on 04/29/2003 11:34:28 AM PDT by SoothingDave (It might behoove me to be heaved)
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To: malakhi; SoothingDave; RobbyS; al_c; IMRight; tHe AnTiLiB; JHavard; newgeezer; ...
Your example, from De Montfort ofcourse.

27. Since grace enhances our human nature and glory adds a still greater perfection to grace, it is certain that our Lord remains in heaven just as much the Son of Mary as he was on earth. Consequently he has retained the submissiveness and obedience of the most perfect of all children towards the best of all mothers. We must take care, however, not to consider this dependence as an abasement or imperfection in Jesus Christ. For Mary, infinitely inferior to her Son, who is God, does not command him in the same way as an earthly mother would command her child who is beneath her. Since she is completely transformed in God by that grace and glory which transforms all the saints in him, she does not ask or wish or do anything which is contrary to the eternal and changeless will of God. When therefore we read in the writings of Saint Bernard, Saint Bernardine, Saint Bonaventure, and others that all in heaven and on earth, even God himself, is subject to the Blessed Virgin, they mean that the authority which God was pleased to give her is so great that she seems to have the same power as God. Her prayers and requests are so powerful with him that he accepts them as commands in the sense that he never resists his dear mother's prayer because it is always humble and conformed to his will. Moses by the power of his prayer curbed God's anger against the Israelites so effectively that the infinitely great and merciful Lord was unable to withstand him and asked Moses to let him be angry and punish that rebellious people. How much greater, then, will be the prayer of the humble Virgin Mary, worthy Mother of God, which is more powerful with the King of heaven than the prayers and intercession of all the angels and saints in heaven and on earth.

Notice the imediate retraction of some of the impact then right back to the adulation.

49,489 posted on 04/29/2003 11:36:53 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrissssstian)
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To: al_c; SoothingDave
They're definitely Cup contenders.

Gonna bring Lord Stanley's cup back to SoCal where it belongs. ;o)

49,490 posted on 04/29/2003 11:40:13 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: biblewonk
Demon tfort isn't Official RC dogma. ;-)
49,491 posted on 04/29/2003 11:42:29 AM PDT by newgeezer (fundamentalist, regarding the Constitution AND the Holy Bible)
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To: SoothingDave
Holy waste material. Did you give me that 24 play by play off the top of your head?
49,492 posted on 04/29/2003 11:43:57 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: biblewonk
Notice the imediate retraction of some of the impact then right back to the adulation.

You mean this:

We must take care, however, not to consider this dependence as an abasement or imperfection in Jesus Christ. For Mary, infinitely inferior to her Son, who is God, does not command him in the same way as an earthly mother would command her child who is beneath her.

Yours is a cynical reading. If, instead, you read it as it was intended, you would have nothing to complain about.

Consider it an "overriding theme" to the work.

SD

49,493 posted on 04/29/2003 11:45:17 AM PDT by SoothingDave (It might behoove me to be heaved)
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To: malakhi
Gonna bring Lord Stanley's cup back to SoCal where it belongs. ;o)

Pffffft. It doesn't belong anywhere that's never had an 8" snowfall in April.

49,494 posted on 04/29/2003 11:45:28 AM PDT by newgeezer (fundamentalist, regarding the Constitution AND the Holy Bible)
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To: SoothingDave
I didn't realize you guys had dropped that one from the Ten Commandments.

Uh oh. There's 2 gone now. :-)

49,495 posted on 04/29/2003 11:46:17 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Holy waste material. Did you give me that 24 play by play off the top of your head?

You asked what happened. I left out the unimportant stuff.

(I missed most of it when I was out last week, so I just watched the tape the other night. That's why it's so fresh in my memory.)

SD

49,496 posted on 04/29/2003 11:46:23 AM PDT by SoothingDave (It might behoove me to be heaved)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant; SoothingDave; biblewonk
Holy waste material. Did you give me that 24 play by play off the top of your head?

"Consider it an 'overriding theme' to the work." ;-)

49,497 posted on 04/29/2003 11:47:13 AM PDT by newgeezer (fundamentalist, regarding the Constitution AND the Holy Bible)
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To: newgeezer; malakhi
Pffffft. It doesn't belong anywhere that's never had an 8" snowfall in April.

Uh oh. Could this be a basic point of agreement?

SD

49,498 posted on 04/29/2003 11:47:15 AM PDT by SoothingDave (It might behoove me to be heaved)
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To: SoothingDave; All
If I did in fact "tell my people" that, yes it would be disqualifying. But I don't. I have managed to learn.

Does anyone here remember which post Dave admitted he was wrong on, and concluded that Eternal Salvation didn't exclude anyone from doing good works?

So if Havoc doesn't say the same thing again, then he's learned, and you'll drop the whole thing, huh? Lol

JH :-)

49,499 posted on 04/29/2003 11:48:04 AM PDT by JHavard
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49,500 posted on 04/29/2003 11:48:08 AM PDT by newgeezer (fundamentalist, regarding the Constitution AND the Holy Bible)
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