The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)

Associated Press ^ | 3/24/01

[malakhi]

For weather buffs, this is fascinating. Saw something about this on the Weather Channel a few nights ago.

Ana Becomes First Atlantic Tropical Storm in April

From the Weather Channel web site:

At 5 a.m. EDT, Ana was centered about 375 miles southeast of Bermuda. It had maximum sustained winds of about 40 mph, just above the 39 mph threshold to be considered a subtropical storm. Ana was moving east at about 16 mph and was expected to turn slightly northeast over the next 24 hours.

Ana is only the second tropical or subtropical storm to form in April since forecasters began tracking hurricanes in 1871. The only other known April subtropical system formed in 1992, forecasters said.

[CindyDawg]

Confusing response by CindyDawg) You can't equate this Reggie. First of all you would need to have some kind of way to count who has Bibles and then you would have to determine who reads them. Having a big one on your coffee table that no one ever opens wouldn't count. We can't hid our heads in the sand though. America does have a problem, regardless of how much or how little other countries do, don't you think?

Huh? This started out by me asking theantilib if he had a Bible. AlguyA jumped in and wanted to know if you needed a bible to get saved. I said no and then made a joke. He then tried to show me that people having bibles really didn't affect their walk with God by showing a high number of bibles/higher abortion rate in the Us vs Mexico. I challenged this caz how can he determine how many bibles are in a country? Then you came in and I mentioned that even if someone knew exactly how many, it was irrelavent because how do you determine how many people are actually reading their Bible and not just using it for a center piece. Un-confused about my comments now? :) AlguyA was just blowing smoke to get the heat off theantilib who dropped out of the conversation and never did answer the question. Now, please tell me what you were talking about. lol

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Oh. About Maynard G. Crebb? I meant that for you whatwith your love for literature and poetry. :-)

[CindyDawg]

Use what ever you want . Puffed up if something I would never call you. lol

[Uri’el-2012]

malakhi; PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain; Quester

The truth is that Jesus' entire life, his teachings, miracles, even his death and resurrection, were all explanations and clarifications of God's Holy Name YHWH.

Then, it seems to me, one who calls upon the Name of YHWH, is calling upon Jesus, his life, teachings, miracles, death and resurrection, even if he doesn't realize it. Just as those who lived before Jesus looked to YHWH for the messiah and salvation, not knowing it was Jesus they were hoping for.

48,105 posted on 04/22/2003 11:39 AM MDT by malakhi (fundamentalist unitarian

The name Joshua signifies “Yahweh is deliverance” or “salvation” (see
JOSHUA). The Greek form of the name is Jesus

INTERNATIONAL
STANDARD BIBLE
ENCYCLOPEDIA
VOL. 6
J-KUSHAIAH

Jesus is English for Y'shua and Y'shua means Salvation

Just as those who lived before Jesus (salvation ) looked to YHWH for the messiah and salvation(Y'shua), not knowing it was Jesus(salvation ) they were hoping for.

Praise His Holy Name

chuck <truth@YeshuaHaMashiach>

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

I just don't see the passages you cite as being incompatible with, or mutually exclusive of, what I said.

Is that you SoothingDave?

BigMack

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Is that you SoothingDave?

That's the 2nd worse thing you could call somebody. Right behind Clinton. :-)

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

LOL...here ya go.

One entry found for cussword.


Main Entry: cuss·word
Pronunciation: 'k&s-"w&rd
Function: noun
Date: 1872
1 : SWEARWORD: SoothingDave
2 : a term of abuse: SoothingDave : a derogatory term: SoothingDave

BigMack

[OLD REGGIE]

". . . I am mad . . . "

I'm guessing this tells the story.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Holy crap. Were you young or just taking stupid pills? :-)

Just young and stupid, we didn't have pills back then or we would of been taking them too. :)

BigMack

[Quester]

Just as those who lived before Jesus looked to YHWH for the messiah and salvation, not knowing it was Jesus they were hoping for.

Per Isaiah, it certainly appears that it was JESUS that they were looking for ...

Isaiah 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?

2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

[malakhi]

I just don't see the passages you cite as being incompatible with, or mutually exclusive of, what I said.

Is that you SoothingDave?

LOL, no, no spin. Let me see if I can better explain what I meant.

Here is an analogy. Suppose we have two people. One is a truck driver, and the other is an electrical engineer. They both own television sets. The truck driver has the owners manual and the remote control, and can operate the television without trouble. But he doesn't know how the television works. The engineer understands everything that goes on inside the box.

Following this analogy, the person who "calls upon the name of YHWH" is the man who owns the television. He trusts in YHWH for salvation, but he doesn't understand how it works. The truck driver can tell you that the television works (the one who calls upon YHWH can tell you that God saves us). The engineer can tell you how the television works (which would be analogous to the quotes you cited to me).

[malakhi]

000
WTNT31 KNHC 221549
TCPAT1

BULLETIN
TROPICAL STORM ANA ADVISORY NUMBER 7
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
11 AM AST TUE APR 22 2003

...ANA BECOMES TROPICAL...

SHIP AND SATELLITE DATA SHOW THAT ANA HAS ACQUIRED THE
CHARACTERISTICS OF A TROPICAL...RATHER THAN SUBTROPICAL...CYCLONE...
WITH STRONGEST WINDS AND WARMER TEMPERATURES NEAR THE CENTER.

AT 11 AM AST...1500Z...THE CENTER OF TROPICAL STORM ANA WAS LOCATED
NEAR LATITUDE 29.8 NORTH... LONGITUDE 57.5 WEST OR ABOUT 460
MILES...740 KM...EAST-SOUTHEAST OF BERMUDA.

ANA IS MOVING TOWARD THE EAST NEAR 16 MPH ...26 KM/HR...AND THIS
MOTION IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE FOR THE NEXT 24 HOURS.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS HAVE INCREASED TO 50 MPH... 85 KM/HR...WITH
HIGHER GUSTS. LITTLE CHANGE IN STRENGTH IS FORECAST DURING THE NEXT
24 HOURS.

TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 145 MILES ...230 KM
FROM THE CENTER.

ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE IS 996 MB...29.41 INCHES.

REPEATING THE 11 AM AST POSITION...29.8 N... 57.5 W. MOVEMENT
TOWARD...EAST NEAR 16 MPH. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS... 50 MPH.
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE... 996 MB.

THE NEXT ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER AT
5 PM AST.

FORECASTER LAWRENCE

[malakhi]

Oh. About Maynard G. Crebb? I meant that for you whatwith your love for literature and poetry. :-)

Gotcha! ;o)

[malakhi]

Just as those who lived before Jesus (salvation ) looked to YHWH for the messiah and salvation(Y'shua), not knowing it was Jesus(salvation ) they were hoping for.

Do you think that this cannot happen after Jesus?

[malakhi]

Per Isaiah, it certainly appears that it was JESUS that they were looking for ...

I agree that they were looking for the messiah. I don't think, though, that they expected him to be a dying-and-resurrecting God-man. If so, I don't think the apostles would have been so surprised when Jesus prophecied his death and resurrection.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Do you think that this cannot happen after Jesus?

If what Paul said "all Israel will be saved", its gonna have to.

[OLD REGGIE]

I wonder if Walt had a pond.

Strange, I was looking out the window at my "pond" this morning. There was a gentle rain which barely made dimples on the surface. The Ducks were swimming, a few Mourning Dove's were feeding on the bank, So quiet, so peaceful. I was mesmerized.

The first "classic" literature I was exposed to was The Merchant of Venice. I remember two assignments from this play. I had to memorize, and recite, Portia's "The Quality of Mercy . . . " and Shylock's "I am a Jew . . . ".

This was more than 60 years ago and I still remembered a few lines.

Oh well, all I was interested in was "The quality of mercy is not strain'd, It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven . . . ". I got that right anyway.

[Havoc]

The Bible is, as we say, the deposit of faith, the earth out of which faith grows. But if there is anything that is clear, the Scriptures were written down anonymously for the most part, by the disciples or Christ or their disciples, and only gradually collected over a period of two centures. The vast majority of Christians never owned, never saw, and probably never heard the whole book. What part they heard was in Church and always as interpreted by clerics. What they heard was never separated from the rest of tradition--that which was handed down from the first believers. The divisions in the Church, which were there from the earliest days, were always about what it was that was handed down. So if the Scriptures are a touchstone, they are also and always part of the debate. What WAS Scripture? What about Hebrews, what about Revelations, what about James, etc. What about Gospels other than the Four?

What is your constitution and how do you know what rights you have. The Bible is a founding document that tells us precisely what the message of the Lord was. Now, The NT scriptures we have derive from the Apostles. All of them, including Hebrews are tied to the Apostles either directly or through the scribes that did the writing for them. That should be your first clue. The nature of the scriptures was to found the church and root it well. This is why Jesus and the Apostles warned to steer clear of anyone coming with a message other than they themselves preached. They had direct knowledge of the teaching of Christ. That cannot be said of many whome you call "early church fathers" and moreover, many of them were forged for political purposes and they largely wrote from opinion based on philosophy. The Apostles did not write speculative opinion based on philosophy - they wrote of direct authority. This is clue number two. Three is that the Apostles were largely of one mind - that of Christ. One of them was bent on getting himself in trouble by letting his will intrude where it didn't belong. That was Peter and that was dealt with. You don't have 21 volumes from Peter giving 22 different opinions on the same issue or waffling every other volume because his logical process was being drawn upon. No, you have consistent authoritative writings from the Apostles and they can be checked with one another and they agree. With your early fathers, they are neither authoritative nor consistent even with themselves - never mind with the Apostles. In a court of law where Hearsay merely could be damaging to your human life, hearsay is dissallowed. Yet with your early fathers, dealing with issues that affect the immortal soul, hearsay is just about the preferred thing. This shows that the seculars have more brains than them. And any idiot should be able to see and understand this. When one wants to know what the bible is, it is simply what is reliable and consistent of message and largely penned by the hands of the Apostles and secondarily by scribes on their behalf (such as by Marcus).

Whos hands do you leave your immortal soul in? Do you entrust to people who wrote 300 years after Christ and changed their mind with the blowing wind. Or do you trust to the Apostles who knew what they were talking about and were staunch defenders of the faith. Do you leave your children with the upright man whome you know to be upright, or with the man who just every once in a while abuses a child to death? Do you go to the doctor who always knows what he's supposed to prescribe for your heart, or do you go to the one who one in three times prescribes something that might kill you? See, when it comes to natural life, it is quite clear the choices that are to be made. Why is it that it is expected people should be less tolerant over what happens with their soul? What we trust as scripture is 66 books because we know the heart medicine is the right one. And, lest I be cited for not bringing it up, I don't buy antiques from a shop that regularly has forged reproductions going through it as though they were the real thing. A shop like that doesn't have a trustworthy dealer no matter how that is viewed. Why then would I seek as an authority a religious group who is and has since it's inception been in that same position. It is no secret that the Catholic Church has had so much fraud run through it and sold as real that one questions who buys anything they say. The Apostles knew a phony message when they heard it, but this group has discernment that works so infrequently that it takes science to prove the fraud because they just don't know. And that's being nice. Some of it was pushed on purpose. If there are other books, the matter of who is bringing them to the table cannot be dismissed as a matter of contention.

This is the reason the Apostles said to trust no man and to check every word. It is why the Bereans did just that and were applauded for the extent to which they did so. Your membership means money and political power to some. Beyond those things are perverse reasons aplenty for distorting the message that came from Christ and the Apostles. Who would have expected a Jim Jones? Jim and Tammy faye could not be viewed on TV and not be spotted for their cheesy phoniness. But people were shocked about them. I find that incredible. Their error was short lived and found out and put down immediately. Yet another group that will remain unmentioned (because everyon knows who it is by now) Spent from the 4th Century to at least the 1800s wallowing in error upon error upon error - institutionalizing it, from fraud to the use of the fraud in the name of God. Their leaders were plagued with every sort of foulness. Their doctrine corrupted by forced conversion of pagans and 'baptism' of pagan ideas into the fold. Dunking a person in water doesn't make them christian any more than dunking a pagan ritual into Christian appearances makes that Christian. Some just don't get it because they've no idea who God is in the first place nor do they understand what Christianity is.

Alas we all have free will and the right to choose what track we go down. If you are looking to be comfortable here, then none of this matters. You can read Budha and it will change nothing. If you are interested in what happens to your eternal soul, then making certain your foundation is sure is far more critical (not less) than what doctor prescribes your heart medication. Do you want the shoddy antiques dealer, or the one that you can be sure you're getting a Tiffany when he says it's Tiffany. Avoiding all appearance of evil has an application here - it means avoiding the chance of being sold a fraud. I call it erring on the side of caution. If it smells wrong and you avoid it, you don't risk your soul.

[OLD REGGIE]

Now, please tell me what you were talking about. lol

It all makes perfect sense to me.