The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)

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[malakhi]

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.

Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams

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[Invincibly Ignorant]

Speaking of Passover, I put together a great little kosher-for-Passover dinner tonight. Take a large square of matza, spread on some pizza sauce, and then liberally top with shredded mozzarella. A minute or two in the toaster oven to melt the cheese, and you have something pretty close to thin-crust pizza!

Lol. We just had Matza pizza the other night after ehret Shabbat. I even made some more when I came home. I may even be so bold as to try and throw a little hamburger on it next time and stick it in the oven. That stuff is tasty. :-)

[al_c]

Thanks a heck of a lot. I missed you too.

Your a regular. Get over it. ;o)

[IMRight]

Leo XIII wrote Psalm 14?

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Yes,it seems to me to me you are an example.

Your an alledged teacher and this is the best you could come up with? lol.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

I don't know, Steven... He didn't even ping you to this. Overconfidence, or fear? ;o)What's that saying. Those who pay no attention to history are doomed to repeat it. :-)

[biblewonk]

The recourse we have to Mary in prayer follows upon the office she continuously fills by the side of the throne of God as Mediatrix of Divine grace...

When she professed herself the handmaid of the Lord for the mother's office, and when, at the foot of the altar, she offered up her whole self with her Child Jesus-then and thereafter she took her part in the laborious expiation made by her Son for the sins of the world. It is certain, therefore, that she suffered in the very depths of her soul with His most bitter sufferings and with His torments. Moreover, it was before the eyes of Mary that was to be finished the Divine Sacrifice for which she had borne and brought up the Victim. As we contemplate Him in the last and most piteous of those Mysteries, there stood by the Cross of Jesus His Mother, who, in a miracle of charity, so that she might receive us as her sons, offered generously to Divine Justice her own Son, and died in her heart with Him, stabbed with the sword of sorrow...

What we have here is another De Montfort!

[al_c]

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Tuesday, April 22,  2003
Tuesday in the Octave of Easter

First Reading: Responsorial Psalm: Gospel:

Acts 2:36-41 Psalm 33:4-5, 18-20, 22 John 20:11-18 Give glory to the Lord, and call upon his name: declare his deeds among the Gentiles.  -- Psalm civ. 1

The following is, as usual, from The Word Among Us:

If you were in a crowd and someone called out, "Hey, you!" you would probably ignore it. After all, you would have no way of knowing that person was looking for you. But if you heard your name being called, you would at least turn around to see who was calling out. Nothing grabs our attention like hearing our name—whether it's in a doctor's waiting room, in a classroom, or at a dinner table.

When Jesus first addressed Mary Magdalene as "woman," she didn't recognize him (John 20:15). But when he called her by name, she turned toward him. In that instant, she knew that the man standing before her was Jesus, her Savior, who knew her and loved her. Imagine how she must have felt, seeing him alive! She had witnessed his painful death on the cross, had seen him laid in the tomb in a burial shroud; now he stood before her, alive, and said to her, "Mary!" Her weeping ceased, and she was filled with joy.

Great men of the Old Testament heard the Lord call them by name as well. Appearing to him in a burning bush, God called Moses and commissioned him to bring the people of Israel out from Egypt (Exodus 3:4). When he heard God's voice speaking to him, Abraham was empowered to leave everything behind and take up a long journey to an unknown land God had promised to give him (Genesis 12:1-3).

Through his prophet, God promised all of us that he would give us a new name. No longer would we be called "Desolate" and "Forsaken." Instead, we are to be called, "My Delight" (Isaiah 62:4). Can you let the Lord show you how he delights in you? Can you let him show you that through Christ he has drawn you to his side and made you into a new creation? Jesus wants to call you by name every day. When we listen to his voice, as Mary did, our hearts will be warmed by his love, and our minds will be filled with his truth. We will see the direction in which we should go. And we will be strengthened to meet life with courage.

"Jesus, I delight in your love. You are my good shepherd. Teach me how to hear your voice in every situation. Keep me close to you."

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God bless.

AC

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Whether there are 5,000 actual Protestant religions with names, there are well over 30,000 different interpretations. You can not deny that. Now I do admit there is some multiple interpretations in the RCC but it is impossible for everyone to understand something the same way.

Who says its bad anyway? About 28,000 of those would be more acceptable to me that your apostate church anyway.

[ksen]

Then, if I understand correctly, people who lived and died before Jesus could be saved "on credit" without knowing or believing in Jesus, but that those who lived after Jesus can only be saved if they believe in him? If God is not a respecter of persons, then why would He hold some to a different standard for salvation?

God is not holding anyone to a different standard. The standard is always the same: believe what God says. During the OT times, well from Ex 20 onward, it was the Levitical sacrifices. God said do them to be forgiven. They pointed to the ultimate sacrifice of Jesus of Nazareth upon a Roman cross.

Now that the true sacrifice has occured God says to believe in His Son and His sacrifice. It all comes down to believing and trusting in God.

[ksen]

You do realize that Judaism has an entire body of "oral Torah"?

Hey! Hey! Hey! This is supposed to be a family friendly thread!

[ksen]

Now I do admit there is some multiple interpretations in the RCC but it is impossible for everyone to understand something the same way.

Ah, but aren't you , in the RCC, REQUIRED to understand things the same way the Magisterium does?

[CindyDawg]

So do we still have a trinity? who got bumped?

[biblewonk]

So do we still have a trinity? who got bumped?

It's pretty obvious that we have a quadiny.

[CindyDawg]

That throne getting really crowded.

[malakhi]

I don't think it is.

What you think doesn't change the facts.

When their is no solid theology, it may lead to thousands of different interpretations.

There are Catholics with wide-ranging theological beliefs, too. Must be thousands of Catholicisms, then.

[malakhi]

Now I do admit there is some multiple interpretations in the RCC but it is impossible for everyone to understand something the same way.

Then why make an issue of it?

[malakhi]

In my years of studying fundamentalism, necromancy is a new word. I know the Bible states that dead have no power in the world after they die. But they can pray to God for the people on earth.

From the Douay-Rheims:

Neither let there be found among you any one that shall expiate his son or daughter, making them to pass through the fire: or that consulteth soothsayers, or observeth dreams and omens, neither let there be any wizard,
Nor charmer, nor any one that consulteth pythonic spirits, or fortune tellers, or that seeketh the truth from the dead.
For the Lord abhorreth all these things (Deuteronomy 18:10-12)

From the RSV:

There shall not be found among you any one who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, any one who practices divination, a soothsayer, or an augur, or a sorcerer,
or a charmer, or a medium, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
For whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD (Deuteronomy 18:10-12)

[OLD REGGIE]

(Posted by AlguyA) I know you were joking. And, frankly, in general I would agree. But just out of curiosity, consider these questions. First, in which nation -the United States or Mexico- is the per capita rate of Bible-ownership higher? Now, in which nation is the abortion rate higher? (Hint: Abortion is illegal in Mexico.) Just something interesting to consider.

(Reply by Old Reggie) Forgetting, for a while, that the United States is a pluralistic society, why don't you compare the birth rate in Ireland or Italy with the United States. Now tell me how that low birth rate is attained. IOW, your question has no validity.

(Confusing response by CindyDawg) You can't equate this Reggie. First of all you would need to have some kind of way to count who has Bibles and then you would have to determine who reads them. Having a big one on your coffee table that no one ever opens wouldn't count. We can't hid our heads in the sand though. America does have a problem, regardless of how much or how little other countries do, don't you think?

I had no intention of equating anything, though I thought AlguyA was equating Bibles in the United States vs Mexico and the respective abortion rates.

Subsequent conversions have convinced me I misread his intent. Lets start all over again. I misread him, you misread me. We're even. ;-)

[malakhi]

biblewonk, is that you? ;o)

Just the official documents, al. Of course, I selected the most interesting/controversial passages. But I gave links to the originals, mostly from the Vatican web site.

[biblewonk]

New section in my anti-Mary paper.

****** wives fables ******

1 Tim 4:7 But reject profane and old wives' fables, and exercise yourself toward godliness.

Examples of profane wives fables:

IUCUNDA SMPER EXPECTATIONE ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII
ON THE ROSARY
September 8, 1894

The recourse we have to Mary in prayer follows upon the office she continuously fills by the side of the throne of God as Mediatrix of Divine grace...

When she professed herself the handmaid of the Lord for the mother's office, and when, at the foot of the altar, she offered up her whole self with her Child Jesus-then and thereafter she took her part in the laborious expiation made by her Son for the sins of the world. It is certain, therefore, that she suffered in the very depths of her soul with His most bitter sufferings and with His torments. Moreover, it was before the eyes of Mary that was to be finished the Divine Sacrifice for which she had borne and brought up the Victim. As we contemplate Him in the last and most piteous of those Mysteries, there stood by the Cross of Jesus His Mother, who, in a miracle of charity, so that she might receive us as her sons, offered generously to Divine Justice her own Son, and died in her heart with Him, stabbed with the sword of sorrow...