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The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)
Associated Press ^ | 3/24/01

Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.


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To: malakhi; SoothingDave
I think Dave meant substitute "have sinned" for "has sinned" in your formulation above. Thus, "All who can sin, have sinned".

Romans 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Does a baby know and understand the law?

Then it can not sin, because with out the knowledge of what sin is, its not imputed as sin.

JH :-)

47,901 posted on 04/21/2003 3:32:45 PM PDT by JHavard (You don't know what you don't know)
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To: JHavard
All who can sin, has sinned.

How's that?

Apart from the grammatical painfulness? Pretty good. :)

It's a bit like "he that does not work, let him not eat". It doesn't mean Paul wanted to starve quadriplegics or infants.

47,902 posted on 04/21/2003 4:08:40 PM PDT by IMRight (This space available - Refer all requests to 1-888-TAG-LINE - Managed by Malakhi advertising Inc.)
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To: biblewonk
So in Romans 3 if we replaced all the "none" "no not one" with "no nation" "no not one nation" we'd have it right then? Or all nations have sinned and fall short of the glory of God?

Not exactly. I suspect that Paul meant the same thing David meant (big surprise?). Which was certainly not "each and every single person is only unrighteous". I might say "no one can assume they are righteous because they are jewish, or because they are circumcised or perform certain other rituals."

47,903 posted on 04/21/2003 4:19:33 PM PDT by IMRight (This space available - Refer all requests to 1-888-TAG-LINE - Managed by Malakhi advertising Inc.)
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To: newgeezer
Sorry, should have pinged you to 47903.
47,904 posted on 04/21/2003 4:24:06 PM PDT by IMRight (This space available - Refer all requests to 1-888-TAG-LINE - Managed by Malakhi advertising Inc.)
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To: IMRight
Apart from the grammatical painfulness? Pretty good. :)

You think that's bad?

Someday I'll send you a post without running it through the spell checker first. LOl

I began to think that "Sentence too long" and "No suggestions" and “Grammatically incorrect " were permanent tag lines.

JH :-)

47,905 posted on 04/21/2003 4:43:22 PM PDT by JHavard (You don't know what you don't know)
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To: SoothingDave; Havoc; Invincibly Ignorant; PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain; biblewonk; CindyDawg; ...
"You definitely have come up with a very interesting point, and, even more amazing, one that I don't recall seeing on here before. Good work.

Can you imagine the "sola scriptura" Bereans rejecting the Gospel of Matthew cause it distorts the Hebrew Bible?

Thanks. Although I must say I had hoped my thoughts might occassion at least a bit of commentary from the Protestant side. I mean, here we have an example where if, a)as Protestants urge, we are to test theology against literal scripture as they argue the Bereans did and b) the Bereans were to use the scripture Protestants argue is the proper scripture to use (i.e., the 'purer' Palestinian canon) then we are left with the inescapable conclusion that c) the good Bereans from whom they draw their example would be forced to reject the gospel of Matthew.

Yet no one seems interested in this topic.

Further, no Protestant has yet addressed my invitation to consider Havoc's rather (at least to me) novel proposition that John the Baptist was Elijah literally reincarnated. Havoc assures us he only uses God's Word and is guided in his reading of God's Word solely by the Holy Spirit -in other words, that he is the archetypical Protestant. Using this method, he has determined that John the Baptist is Elijah in a 'new body.' Frankly, I find the silence of Protestants on this point somewhat surprising. All I would like to know is if they agree with Havoc.

47,906 posted on 04/21/2003 4:50:45 PM PDT by AlguyA
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To: OLD REGGIE
I know you were joking. And, frankly, in general I would agree. But just out of curiosity, consider these questions. First, in which nation -the United States or Mexico- is the per capita rate of Bible-ownership higher? Now, in which nation is the abortion rate higher? (Hint: Abortion is illegal in Mexico.) Just something interesting to consider. Forgetting, for a while, that the United States is a pluralistic society, why don't you compare the birth rate in Ireland or Italy with the United States. Now tell me how that low birth rate is attained. IOW, your question has no validity.

You can't equate this Reggie. First of all you would need to have some kind of way to count who has Bibles and then you would have to determine who reads them. Having a big one on your coffee table that no one ever opens wouldn't count. We can't hid our heads in the sand though. America does have a problem, regardless of how much or how little other countries do, don't you think?

47,907 posted on 04/21/2003 5:14:41 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: SoothingDave
How do we expect the Holy Spirit to come upon Mary without destroying her unless she is first made clean, a worthy receptacle for God to reside in?

Are you "divine" Dave? Does the HS dwell within you?

47,908 posted on 04/21/2003 5:20:25 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: SoothingDave
Nobody is making the argument that Jesus is a woman

Huh? Where did this come from?

47,909 posted on 04/21/2003 5:25:00 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: IMRight
How old do you get before regular outfits don't come with matching bloomers

You are asking the wrong person. I raised boys. lol. Little girl clothes are so cute though. I am always buying stuff and sending them to Sarah (my 2 y/o GD in fl.). When I go visit we have a fashion show. Her mom and I ooh and aw but she doesn't seem too care to much for modeling. She would rather run around naked!

47,910 posted on 04/21/2003 5:30:05 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: SoothingDave
If I die with unconfessed mortal sin on my soul I go to hell.

You can confess to us. Your secrets safe here! :')

47,911 posted on 04/21/2003 5:32:21 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: SoothingDave
Maybe it's cause we've got a "patron saint of the internet" and you don't. LOL

Yeah but I have a direct number to His private line. While you were going thru your saints, if I remember correctly, my plea went something like "Oh please, God. Not again. I'm gonna be in so much trouble. :')

47,912 posted on 04/21/2003 5:37:27 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: AlguyA
Dave, that's not what the scripture says. It says that all die..."?i>How do you square this with the verse posted by malakhi above which shows Elias was assumed into heaven?

Well, I know you weren't asking me but getting your head cut off ought to do it,don't you think? :')

47,913 posted on 04/21/2003 5:45:25 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: SoothingDave
So, your definition of divinity is anyone to whom prayer is directed?

Well, sometimes it does seem to me that you place the mother above the Son. You talk about her a lot, you know.

It is not I or any Cahtolic who brings up "divinity" or "part of the Trinity" when mentioning Mary being without sin. So it must be you.

Yep. It was me. I get my ideas from the material you post to me.lol

I have already done so, but you reject the interpretations given. All of which is a red herring.

Stop blowing smoke.

47,914 posted on 04/21/2003 5:59:56 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg
"Well, I know you weren't asking me but getting your head cut off ought to do it,don't you think? :')"

Keep reading. I did ask you. Can I assume, then, you are another vote for the John the Baptist is Elijah reincarnated camp?

47,915 posted on 04/21/2003 6:11:22 PM PDT by AlguyA
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To: SoothingDave
Finally, my astonishment was at your willingness to brush off something as significant as the question of Mary. Maybe you are free to adapt, but if it were me and my theory on just reading the Bible and listening to the Spirit had been proven to be so wrong on Mary's Perpetual Virginity, I would question my methods and all of the like-minded fellow Christians who were so wrong for so long on the issue.

It is really quite simple. If I discovered she remained a virgin, it would be "hmm, I really misinterpreted that "knew her" verse but it wouldn't affect my faith at all . God tells us in the Bible that everything isn't reveiled to us. You just have to trust Him.

47,916 posted on 04/21/2003 6:12:50 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: malakhi
Well, you could just avoid the whole confusion and convert to Judaism. ;o)

Can, I bring my friend, "Jesus" with me? Looks like I might be diluted but he's the real thing. Tell you what. Become a Jew for Jesus and I'll think about it,ok? Anyway, you know He isn't going to give you any peace until you do, don't you?

47,917 posted on 04/21/2003 6:23:41 PM PDT by CindyDawg (Genetic testing? Who are you people???????????? :'))
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To: AlguyA
Second, I may well be uneducated with regard to Scripture (I'm still trying to find the Old Testament scripture to which Matthew was referring when he said the Messiah would be born of a Virgin),

Sometimes it takes me awhile to find scripture I am looking for too. I could use the cheat sheet but I retain more when I have to search. I would much rather talk with someone who is searching in the Bible than some puffed up, know it all Bible scholar that trys to talk down to me.

47,918 posted on 04/21/2003 6:30:41 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: XeniaSt; Invincibly Ignorant
It is truly: Bikkurim Feast of FirstFruits The morrow after the sabbath during Hag HaMatzah

Ah, Steven, you want to interpret for me? This Biblical? :') No offense Mr. XeniaSt but I don't want to go from the pan to the fire :')

47,919 posted on 04/21/2003 6:39:22 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Havoc
Why should I not? Jesus said it. That settles it. If you don't believe Christ, then what on earth are you doing even pretending to be Christian?

But does he know Christ said it? I am a Christian and several years ago I heard this and my first response was "no way". I had to look it up for myself. I can't speak for everyone but I got saved and then started my spiritual growth, studying the Bible. He says he's reading. Just a friendly suggestion but you might want to cut him some slack.

47,920 posted on 04/21/2003 6:44:24 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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