Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
The Pope holds that Mary intervened with God to deflect the bullet. Not that Mary has any power that God didn't give to her.
This does not make her divine, any more than you exercising your God-given talents makes you divine.
The only people who remember Diana are freaky fundamentalists with axes to grind.
And here the name calling continues (cuz I called you a chicken first) (wait a minute, you insinuated I was foolish) and I thought I was going to get some kind of coherent refutations.
sorry. Let me re-state that. The only people who remember Diana are fundamentalists with axes to grind. This is of the line of thought that any depiction that resembles anythign pagan is by definition pagan. It's an asinine theory. There were pagan gods who died and were resurrected. That must make Jesus a pagan god as well, by that theory.
None of them really did. It was all made up. Kinda like the perpetual virginity thing.
You must learn to answer the argument given. That being that insisting that anything that remotely is related to paganism is to be discarded as tainted leaves you without a Savior.
Your agrument is, in reality, that since you don't believe in Mary, that you will throw pagan mud at her. But you would howl at an athiest who did the same trick with your allegedly "resurrected" god.
How long have you worshipped Mithra under an assumed name?
Yeah right what? The statue isn't there?
Yeah right, these people actually went to the Vatican. There is no evidence given as to what they are talking about, no context given, nothing.
Did they allegedly see a statue of Mary and assume it was Diana? Did they stumble upon a museum of antiquities? Was there any context to the display -- here is a false god that Christianity replaced?
Were they shocked to discover a graven image to the Biblical David in the city as well?
SD
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Baloney, I read the article in which the Pope was quoted as saying that Mary stopped the bullet. Its your position that he holds to that postition. If that's what he meant he should have said it.
sorry. Let me re-state that. The only people who remember Diana are fundamentalists with axes to grind. This is of the line of thought that any depiction that resembles anythign pagan is by definition pagan. It's an asinine theory. There were pagan gods who died and were resurrected. That must make Jesus a pagan god as well, by that theory.
No axes to grind here. Diana and Mary perpetual virgins. Mother of God announcement in Ephesus. Facts. Another fact, Jesus actually did rise from the dead, pagan gods didn't.
You must learn to answer the argument given. That being that insisting that anything that remotely is related to paganism is to be discarded as tainted leaves you without a Savior.
You must learn not to put words in my mouth. I have never said that anything remotely related to paganism is to be discarded. Those are your words. I've always pointed out specifically regarding paganism what's to be disgarded.
Your agrument is, in reality, that since you don't believe in Mary, that you will throw pagan mud at her. But you would howl at an athiest who did the same trick with your allegedly "resurrected" god.
Why would I throw mud at the woman that's to be called blessed. You are the one throwing mud at her by making up lies about her.
How long have you worshipped Mithra under an assumed name?
Constantine's god, not mine.
Yeah right, these people actually went to the Vatican. There is no evidence given as to what they are talking about, no context given, nothing. Did they allegedly see a statue of Mary and assume it was Diana? Did they stumble upon a museum of antiquities? Was there any context to the display -- here is a false god that Christianity replaced?
I'll take their word for what they say. I'm the kind of person who gives people the benefit of the doubt. If they said they saw a statue of Diana, I believe them until its proven there is no statue there.
Yes, but so what? If there is such a statue there, why is it there, what context is it in and what does it mean?
These charlatans you insist on treating as serious offer nothing.
No axes to grind here. Diana and Mary perpetual virgins. Mother of God announcement in Ephesus. Facts. Another fact, Jesus actually did rise from the dead, pagan gods didn't.
Um, Diana didn't exist at all. You wish to find some type of conspiracy by the choice of cities for a counsel. This is hysterical. Why would anyone not pre-disposed to hate Mary believe any of this nonsense. It is prejudice disguised, thinly disgused, as evidence.
And you miss the point entirely about Jesus being compared to pagan gods.
You must learn not to put words in my mouth. I have never said that anything remotely related to paganism is to be discarded. Those are your words. I've always pointed out specifically regarding paganism what's to be disgarded.
Yeah right. Those "specific" things are always coincidental facts about Mary. I'm sure this is just by accident and not a consequence of you wanting to hate her.
SD
Actually, "freaky fundamentalist with an axe to grind" would make a great tag line. ;o)
What context? Can you think of one? The church is a museum now? Nevermind. I'm afraid to hear a response to that question.
These charlatans you insist on treating as serious offer nothing.
About equal to what you have to offer I guess.
Um, Diana didn't exist at all. You wish to find some type of conspiracy by the choice of cities for a counsel. This is hysterical. Why would anyone not pre-disposed to hate Mary believe any of this nonsense. It is prejudice disguised, thinly disgused, as evidence.
I don't know. Why don't you ask yourself why you're predisposed to hate Mary. I haven't made up any lies about her. You and yours have.
Yeah right. Those "specific" things are always coincidental facts about Mary. I'm sure this is just by accident and not a consequence of you wanting to hate her.
You have the hate.
You have a problem with not accpeting the whole truth about her, because of its source, and are too quick to believe conspiracy stories. But that is not hatred.
Have a good Passover.
SD
LOL. You enjoy your holiday as well. Despite the scheming plans of the Romanists, our celebrations are pretty near this year. :-)
SD
Yes, but so what? If there is such a statue there, why is it there, what context is it in and what does it mean?
What context? Can you think of one? The church is a museum now? Nevermind. I'm afraid to hear a response to that question.
They only said they were at the Vatican. It is not just one big Church, you know. There are museums and apartments and offices and stuff.
Like I said, what context was this alleged statue in? Was it a collection of art, maybe?
SD
Thank you. I really don't think you hate her either. You're right, I can't accept all those extra biblical additions you call truth to her being. Not necessarily because of the source (although it helps in this case). If any source came up with all that I would disgard. May you have a blessed celebration of the resurrection.
Steven, have a blessed Passover. Next year in Jerusalem!
And I wish the rest of you a blessed Easter!
And you shall observe the feast of unleavened bread, for on this very day I brought your hosts out of the land of Egypt: therefore you shall observe this day, throughout your generations, as an ordinance for ever. (Exodus 12:17)
I thought Jesus was a jew?
I thought Jesus was a jew?
Uh, yeah. How did He get to be a Jew? Like everyone else, His mother was one.
SD
You people are obsessed with Mary. Why can't Jesus be a link?
He was a Jew because He was born to a Jewish woman. That's the way these things are reckoned.
If, as some believe, He was no relation to Mary, then He woudl not be Jewish.
SD
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.