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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Only a divine being could have stopped an assasins' bullet. The pope claimed it was Mary. Sorry, No lie here.

The Pope holds that Mary intervened with God to deflect the bullet. Not that Mary has any power that God didn't give to her.

This does not make her divine, any more than you exercising your God-given talents makes you divine.

The only people who remember Diana are freaky fundamentalists with axes to grind.

And here the name calling continues (cuz I called you a chicken first) (wait a minute, you insinuated I was foolish) and I thought I was going to get some kind of coherent refutations.

sorry. Let me re-state that. The only people who remember Diana are fundamentalists with axes to grind. This is of the line of thought that any depiction that resembles anythign pagan is by definition pagan. It's an asinine theory. There were pagan gods who died and were resurrected. That must make Jesus a pagan god as well, by that theory.

None of them really did. It was all made up. Kinda like the perpetual virginity thing.

You must learn to answer the argument given. That being that insisting that anything that remotely is related to paganism is to be discarded as tainted leaves you without a Savior.

Your agrument is, in reality, that since you don't believe in Mary, that you will throw pagan mud at her. But you would howl at an athiest who did the same trick with your allegedly "resurrected" god.

How long have you worshipped Mithra under an assumed name?

Yeah right what? The statue isn't there?

Yeah right, these people actually went to the Vatican. There is no evidence given as to what they are talking about, no context given, nothing.

Did they allegedly see a statue of Mary and assume it was Diana? Did they stumble upon a museum of antiquities? Was there any context to the display -- here is a false god that Christianity replaced?

Were they shocked to discover a graven image to the Biblical David in the city as well?

SD

47,021 posted on 04/16/2003 12:38:05 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
The Pope holds that Mary intervened with God to deflect the bullet. Not that Mary has any power that God didn't give to her.

Baloney, I read the article in which the Pope was quoted as saying that Mary stopped the bullet. Its your position that he holds to that postition. If that's what he meant he should have said it.

sorry. Let me re-state that. The only people who remember Diana are fundamentalists with axes to grind. This is of the line of thought that any depiction that resembles anythign pagan is by definition pagan. It's an asinine theory. There were pagan gods who died and were resurrected. That must make Jesus a pagan god as well, by that theory.

No axes to grind here. Diana and Mary perpetual virgins. Mother of God announcement in Ephesus. Facts. Another fact, Jesus actually did rise from the dead, pagan gods didn't.

You must learn to answer the argument given. That being that insisting that anything that remotely is related to paganism is to be discarded as tainted leaves you without a Savior.

You must learn not to put words in my mouth. I have never said that anything remotely related to paganism is to be discarded. Those are your words. I've always pointed out specifically regarding paganism what's to be disgarded.

Your agrument is, in reality, that since you don't believe in Mary, that you will throw pagan mud at her. But you would howl at an athiest who did the same trick with your allegedly "resurrected" god.

Why would I throw mud at the woman that's to be called blessed. You are the one throwing mud at her by making up lies about her.

How long have you worshipped Mithra under an assumed name?

Constantine's god, not mine.

Yeah right, these people actually went to the Vatican. There is no evidence given as to what they are talking about, no context given, nothing. Did they allegedly see a statue of Mary and assume it was Diana? Did they stumble upon a museum of antiquities? Was there any context to the display -- here is a false god that Christianity replaced?

I'll take their word for what they say. I'm the kind of person who gives people the benefit of the doubt. If they said they saw a statue of Diana, I believe them until its proven there is no statue there.

47,023 posted on 04/16/2003 12:52:57 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: SoothingDave; Invincibly Ignorant
The Pope holds that Mary intervened with God to deflect the bullet. Not that Mary has any power that God didn't give to her.

In fact, in 1982, one year after the attempt on his life, Pope John Paul II traveled to Fatima to thank Mary for having saved his life from the assassin's bullet. There, he reminded us that the "message of Fatima is [even] more relevant than it was 65 years ago. It is [even] more urgent."

And today we know that Pope John Paul II is widely believed to be the bishop "clothed in white" described in the Third Secret as falling "to the ground, apparently dead under a burst of gunfire." In fact, Sr. Lucia -- the remaining Fatima visionary -- agrees with the often quoted statement of the Holy Father, "It was a mother's hand that guided the bullet's path and, in his throes, the pope halted at the threshold of death."


Who, according to the Pope, "guided" the bullet? Has the Pope ever thanked God for doing so?
47,045 posted on 04/16/2003 2:35:27 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a cult of one? UNITARJEWMIAN)
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