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Scientists make startling discovery after analyzing cloth 'Jesus was buried in'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk ^ | 8/19/2024 | Stacy Liberatore

Posted on 08/19/2024 6:46:41 PM PDT by bitt

A controversial linen shroud - regarded by some to be the one Jesus was buried in - has baffled the world for more than centuries.

When it was first exhibited in the 1350s, the Shroud of Turin was touted as the actual burial shroud used to wrap the mutilated body of Christ after his crucifixion.

Also known as the Holy Shroud, it bears a faint image of the front and back of a bearded man, which many believers is Jesus' body miraculously imprinted onto the fabric.

But research in the 1980s appeared to debunk the idea it was real after dating it to the Middle Ages, hundreds of years after Christ's death.

Now, Italian researchers who used a new technique involving x-rays to date the material have confirmed it was manufactured around the time of Jesus about 2,000 years ago.

They say the fact the timelines add up lends credence to the idea that the faint, bloodstained pattern of a man with his arms folded in front were left behind by Jesus' dead body.

The Bible states that Joseph of Arimathea wrapped the body of Jesus in a linen shroud and placed it inside the tomb.

Matthew 27:59-60 reads: 'Then Joseph took the body and wrapped it in a new linen cloth. He put Jesus’ body in a new tomb that he had dug in a wall of rock. Then he closed the tomb by rolling a very large stone to cover the entrance. After he did this, he went away.'

The burial cloth has captivated the imagination of historians, church chiefs, skeptics and Catholics since it was first presented to the public in the 1350s.

French knight Geoffroi de Charny gave it to the dean of the church in Lirey, France, proclaiming it as the Holy Shroud.

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To: Olog-hai

Jesus was a Rabbi so yes as was the custom of orthodox Jews they do not and did not cut their hair


81 posted on 08/20/2024 5:50:03 AM PDT by stockpirate (A group of baboons is referred to as a "Congress" of baboons.)
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To: vg0va3

WARNING: This product can expose you to linen, which is known to the State of California to cause cancer.


82 posted on 08/20/2024 6:00:23 AM PDT by gnarledmaw (Hivemind liberals worship leaders, sovereign conservatives select servants.)
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To: MNDude

For years, I kept a shirt with blood splatters that remained bright red so know that part is true.


83 posted on 08/20/2024 6:10:32 AM PDT by bgill
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To: MNDude

Jewish Christians but not Gentile Christians.
Acts 21
20 When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law. 21 They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs. 22 What shall we do? They will certainly hear that you have come, 23 so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow.

24 Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.

25 As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.”


84 posted on 08/20/2024 6:22:16 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( Government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is force!--G. Washington)
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To: j.havenfarm

Great web page! Thanks for putting it up!


85 posted on 08/20/2024 6:25:31 AM PDT by telescope115 (I NEED MY SPACE!!! 🔭)
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To: metmom
The Shroud is a physical link to Jesus’ time. I believe it’s genuine without a doubt, but even if it wasn’t, my faith still holds strong. You’re right: we don’t need physical proof that Jesus existed and still DOES exist, but how many crowns of thorns are out there, how many pieces of the True Cross are there?

We know that there is one True Shroud. And it’s an amazing relic.

86 posted on 08/20/2024 6:39:12 AM PDT by telescope115 (I NEED MY SPACE!!! 🔭)
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To: Fai Mao

Thanks for posting, I put it on my must read list!


87 posted on 08/20/2024 6:51:51 AM PDT by telescope115 (I NEED MY SPACE!!! 🔭)
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To: AnalogReigns

I have had “blood gas analysis” tests done, to take a sample of arterial blood from my wrist. The technician warned me that the needle would pass thru some nerve bundles to get to the artery, and that it would be painful. It WAS. Off the charts painful. I can’t imagine what Jesus must’ve felt as they hammered those big spikes thru his wrists. It’s unimaginable.


88 posted on 08/20/2024 7:01:59 AM PDT by telescope115 (I NEED MY SPACE!!! 🔭)
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To: one guy in new jersey

Why does every depiction of the face of Jesus Christ produced since circa the 800s look more or less the same?


Because they copied each other. Common tradition in Holy paintings.


89 posted on 08/20/2024 8:21:40 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: jerod
Carbon dating works for stuff that has been buried or otherwise sealed away for 2000 years. This has not been sealed up, and in particular was damaged by a fire in 1532 and subsequently repaired. Not to mention that it's been contaminated by handling and exposure, etc.

The X-ray technique, called WAXS, uses X-rays to measure the degradation of the linen fibers over time. It's not "hocus pocus".

90 posted on 08/20/2024 9:15:24 AM PDT by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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To: stockpirate

No, He was not that kind of rabbi. The Gospels are full of references to the fact that He did not follow rabbinical customs and that the rabbis were consternated by that. With respect to hair length, consider Ezekiel 44:20.


91 posted on 08/20/2024 11:17:39 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: roving
This shroud makes it appear Jesus has long hair.

How do you know that He had short hair?
92 posted on 08/20/2024 11:22:28 AM PDT by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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To: Candor7
It is the likeness of Jacques DeMolay

I have heard exactly one person propound that ridiculous theory.
93 posted on 08/20/2024 11:24:15 AM PDT by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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To: PIF

Very early depictions of Christ’s Holy Face varied widely.

Then—wham!—they stopped varying.

This was no mere occurrence of mass plagiarism.


94 posted on 08/20/2024 11:44:48 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: Antoninus

I take it you have never read 1 Corinthians 11:14?

Also look at Ezekiel 44:20.


95 posted on 08/20/2024 12:10:22 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: LukeL
A friend wrote me this:

Paul said in 2 Timothy 2:15 study to show thyself approved a workman rightly diving the word of truth. When we start our journey for truth and the Holy Spirit moves inside of us our eyes are opened and we are given a new mind, a godly perception so to speak and can tell when something doesn't add up.

I add this:

I do not doubt it because I feel like it is good enough. I can't disagree with anything I've read and understood so far.

It does blend, so to speak. That, in that it was compiled from many for a long time give it incredible credibility doesn't it?

That it has to add up, and it does, compounds the credibility and we test that don't we?

That we find corroborating evidence buried away, such as the Dead Sea Scrolls, gives additional credibility to the translation and that it was not simply made up by a gang of isolated monks at the direction of King James and to his own liking.

96 posted on 08/20/2024 2:41:44 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (More important than why there was nobody protecting the AGR roof, how did Crooks know that?)
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To: Antoninus

I have heard exactly one person propound that ridiculous theory.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The Templars and the Shroud of Turin

Any discussion of the Templars and the Shroud of Turin is bound to be controversial. Those who view this sacred and holy relic fall into two camps, those that believe it to be the undisputed earthly evidence of a Christ risen and those who believe it to be a medieval forgery.

It is not the intention of this web site to cast doubt on or support the authenticity of the shroud, but rather to show its possible relationship to the Knights Templar. We receive many letters from angry people who wish to enter into lengthy debates about carbon 14 reliability. We are aware of new evidence that puts the reliability of carbon 14 dating in question, so please refrain from telling us of the findings or directing us to URLs that make the claims.

There are two theories that relate to the Templars having been involved with the Shroud, one, which would support the authenticity of the Shroud and another, which would refute it.

In 1204 the Crusaders sacked the city of Constantinople. Among them were the Knights Templar, whom some scholars contend took the Burial shroud of Jesus from the city. To support this theory, author Ian Wilson who wrote the book “The Shroud of Turin: Burial Cloth Of Jesus?” makes the claim that the head that the Templars were accused of worshipping was none other than that of Jesus. His belief is that the Shroud when folded depicted the head of Christ and was referred to as the “Mandylion.” There is a painted panel at Templecombe in England that shows a bearded head like that, which is depicted on the Mandylion.

In their two books, “The Hiram Key” and “The Second Messiah,” authors Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas paint a contrasting picture to the Mandylion theory. The authors theorize that the image on the Shroud of Turin is in fact that of the last Grand Master of the order, Jacques de Molay, who was tortured some months before his execution in 1307. The image on the shroud certainly does fit the description of de Molay as depicted in medieval woodcuts, a long nose, hair shoulder length and parted in the center, a full beard that forked at its base, not to mention the six-foot frame. De Molay was said to be quite tall.

However, many have criticized the theory on the basis that the Templar rule of order forbade the Templars from growing their hair long. What critics of the theory overlook is that during DeMolay’s seven years in prison it is highly unlikely that he would have been afforded such luxuries as good grooming.

Knight and Lomas claim that the shroud figured in the Templars rituals of figurative resurrection and that DeMolay’s tortured body was wrapped in a shroud, which the Templars kept after his death. Lomas and Knight further believe that lactic acid and blood from DeMolay’s tortured body mixed with frankincense (used to whiten the cloth) etching his image into the shroud.

When the shroud was first put on display in 1357 (50 years after the disbanding of the order) by the family of Geoffrey de Charney who was also burned at the stake with de Molay, the first people viewing the shroud recognized the image to be that of Christ.

The authors theorize that Jacques de Molay may have been tortured in a manner similar to Christ as a mockery. Certainly then, the wounds suffered by de Molay were the same as those of Jesus Christ on the Cross.

Today it is commonly believed by many, through carbon dating, that the shroud dates to the late 13th century and not to the date of Christ’s supposed crucifixion. It is interesting that the church revealed these carbon dating results on October 13th, 1989, which is the same day the Templars were arrested by Church and State. According to the authors:

“Carbon dating has conclusively shown that the Shroud of Turin dates from between 1260 and 1380, precisely as we would expect if it were the image of Jacques de Molay. There is no other known theory that fits the scientifically established facts. Through experimentation, we know that the figure on the Shroud was on a soft bed of some kind, which strongly suggests that the victim was not dead and was expected to recover.”

The Second Messiah pg. 161 – Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas

Regardless of whether the findings of Ian Wilson or Knight and Lomas are correct, it is evident that this holiest and venerated relic has found its way into the Templar mythos.

https://templarhistory.com/the-templars-and-the-shroud-of-turin/


97 posted on 08/20/2024 7:17:11 PM PDT by Candor7 (Ask not for whom the Trump Trolls,He trolls for thee!),<img src="" width=500</img><a href="">tag</a>)
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98 posted on 08/20/2024 9:21:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The Demagogic Party is a collection of violent, rival street gangs.)
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To: Candor7
Lomas and Knight further believe that lactic acid and blood from DeMolay’s tortured body mixed with frankincense (used to whiten the cloth) etching his image into the shroud.

And that somehow created a negative image? Good grief. Well, if that's all it took, then it should be relatively easy to make another one...
99 posted on 08/21/2024 7:58:32 AM PDT by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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To: Antoninus

Present yourself for torture in the service of the Almighty. We can make up your special edition to pass on to your descendants.

It will only hurt for a while.


100 posted on 08/21/2024 9:48:02 AM PDT by Candor7 (Ask not for whom the Trump Trolls,He trolls for thee!),<img src="" width=500</img><a href="">tag</a>)
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