What is the Mark of the Beast (Vanity Poll)

Free Republic ^ | 08/1802024 | BipolarBob

[thesligoduffyflynns]

...and post #62 has no mention of any giants

[Kudsman]

I would say that this phone in my right hand, as I raise it to my head to talk to someone, may be a strong contender.

[BipolarBob]

You don’t make the genetic changes and giantism connection?

[thesligoduffyflynns]

im sorry, but no...

gentic changes in human beings are not specific to “ giantism”.

Rarely do we see “ giants” as in the pictures of old and im sure there were real ones in the past and most likely suffered Marfans Syndrome, immune disorders, etc, but to change INTO a one? Nope, dont see it.

If you are referring to the biblical Nephilim that chapter is over but they had been referred to as “giants”

[metmom]

Nobody’s eternal destiny is determined by what they believe a bout the mark of the beast theologically.

God IS a good communicator. The best. We are the ones who see through a glass darkly and the reason there are differing interpretations is because some people who are trying to interpret are not spiritually alive and cannot understand spiritual truths. SO of course, their interpretation is wrong, too.

[Seven_0]

These events will take place in order: • the Antichrist rises to power (verse 1) • the Antichrist is healed of a deadly wound (verse 3) • people openly worship the dragon (Satan) and the Antichrist (verse 4) • the false prophet performs miracles on behalf of the beast, including calling fire from heaven (verse 13) • the false prophet constructs an image of the beast and causes it to speak (verses 14–15) • the image of the beast orders the death of anyone who will not worship it (verse 15) • after all of the above, the false prophet orders everyone to receive the mark of the beast (verses 16–17)

In Revelation 13, there are 42 months given to the beast. Can these events in chapter 13 happen after Christ takes the reigns of power in chapter 11:15?

[Fuzz]

With all due respect , that’s all a bunch of hooey.

First, according to those who believe in the mark of the beast or any end day’s prophecy it does matter, in any religion. In this case if one takes the mark, they will go to hell. It’s right in the Bible. So your first sentence is wrong.

And if god communicates well why does this thread have scores of different interpretations ? Furniture assembly instructions from ikea aren’t producing as much confusion.

So which one of the interpretations on this thread is correct and made by someone who is spiritually alive and looking through a clear glass? And why do you think you’re capable of determining that?

[SisterK]

exactly, metmom

if there is a kink in the hose
it is not at God’s end
it is at our end

[SisterK]

I used to - foolishly - think that few would openly reject God.

sadly, most will be destroyed
He will save a remnant

[Chode]

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[metmom]

Not hooey.

For a believer, whether you think the mark is literal or figurative does not affect their salvation.

If you TAKE the mark, then yes, but no believer is not going to take the mark.

Even believers do not see clearly because Paul’s comment in 1 Corinthians 13 is written to believers.

[Fuzz]

So how can one avoid taking the mark, as a believer, if they don’t even know what it is, literal or otherwise and how do you, personally, determine who is listening to god correctly?

And, if possible, try to do it without sounding like a sermon I’ve heard a thousand times.

[SaveFerris]

[Wonder why the back of my I-phone has a picture of a apple with a bite out of it.
Fall from grace.]

Wow - hadn’t thought about that one

[SaveFerris]

Wow, they don’t believe He came the first time? - That’s the most important time regarding our Salvation

2 Peter 3:16
King James Version

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Peter%203%3A16&version=KJV

2 Timothy 3:7
King James Version

7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Timothy%203%3A7&version=KJV

[SaveFerris]

They are spirit of antichrist.

The Mark of the Beast will in fact be literal.

There will be an actual Angel from Heaven preaching against it.

Seems impossible and ridiculous - I understand

That’s why there will be NO EXCUSE for anyone taking the Mark of the Beast - I hope to tell a few current unbelievers (not you) ahead of time - but I expect the Godless world system to continue to oppress people and control their money all the way to that time

[spacejunkie2001]

which begs the question....why show up on an end times thread if none of it is real :)

[SaveFerris]

Good question

[captmar-vell]

Thanks for the link, I’ll check it out.

[Fuzz]

Because the conversation is real and conversations can be about fictional things also.

[captmar-vell]

Thanks for your timeline, I would add Satan’s being thrown out of Heaven by Michael as the imperative driving the Mark of the Beast.

The Chapter numbers were added later, a flow or timeline may not be as obvious as it could, it also repeats.

Satan being thrown out of Heaven once Michael stands (he must be sitting down to stand up) for him to rise as he does in Chapter 11 to compel John to measure the Temple with a golden rod representing the absolute authority of the Father given to him from the time of Exodus Chapter 23. To permit John to confirm the work Michael has done as he was commanded as Captain of the Lords Host regarding the restoration of Israel and the completing of the 490 years (seventy weeks) being measured perfectly in years and as allotted and restored since 1967.

And only then to be broken by Satan with a false covenant in a desperate attempt to undo this saving work for Israel and his attempting to take away ownership of all things made by God in the Earth.

These events are not about the Church beyond the inheritance of Jesus and a restored Israel and God keeping his promises and for the ownership of all creation.

Those on the Earth coming to this knowledge and timeline are singing Psalm 90, the Song of Moses to number their days for understanding and as a story of days being told, they can see it now in the timeline as the books of Daniel and Revelation lay it out.

The Church is abiding under the shadow of the Most High as shown in Psalm 91, to be gathered under his wings as Jesus would’ve done with Israel but they would not.

Why is Satan even allowed into Heaven at all? To accuse the brethren, the Church, the Ecclesia the called out ones. Believers in Christ today.

Why is Satan thrown out? Because his place is not found there anymore. Meaning his authority to accuse the brethren either is undone, removed, or as I believe those called out under the Jubilee redemption of Christ are no longer to be found on the Earth for Satan to have any jurisdiction or authority to accuse them before the Throne of God, this is not the same Court as we’re shown sitting in Revelation Chapters 4-6.

Satan’s false covenant and agreement with Israel gains him some measure of authority for a short while until God annuls it. Satan knows this and is why he seeks to immediately solidify or strengthen his hold over all things that he now believes belongs to him, both with Jerusalem encumbered away by a false agreement and all those receiving his Mark of ownership around those dwelling on the Earth.

This is also why those who begin to understand what is really occurring and that death is fleeing from them as atheists rejecting their worship of annihilation, where they refuse the Mark, having earlier met only a closed door and found themselves on the outside knocking are now reaching this understanding and are being told that all who die henceforth will go to heaven.

No one saved by the blood and grace of Jesus would need this affirmation, we already know. Jesus said blessed are those who have not seen and believe. It is written for those struggling with a lack of information and understandings regarding the last days events which they are now witnessing firsthand, this is what they would be desperately searching for to give them the strength to continue.

They will likely die for rejecting the Mark of the Beast, but they can know they WILL be received into Heaven.

And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
Revelation 14:13