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Vatican To Publish New Document On Marian Apparitions Next Week
One News Page ^ | 5/6/24 | Courtney Mares

Posted on 05/12/2024 7:58:48 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal

The Vatican’s doctrine office will publish a new document next week on discerning Marian apparitions and other supernatural events.

The Holy See Press Office announced on Tuesday that Cardinal Víctor Manuel Fernández, the prefect of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith (DDF), will unveil new norms for discernment regarding “apparitions and other supernatural phenomena” on Friday, May 17.

In an interview with the National Catholic Register, CNA’s sister news partner, last month, Fernandez said that the document will provide “clear guidelines and norms” for discernment.

The new norms will be the first time that the Vatican’s doctrinal office has issued a general document on apparitions in four decades. Pope Paul VI approved norms on “the discernment of presumed apparitions or revelations” in 1978.

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To: BipolarBob
BB: John 10:35 -- "and Scripture cannot be set aside—"

This doesn't say what constitutes scripture and at the same time the Church doesn't set aside Scripture - after all, the Bible as a collection of God inspired books was collected by the Church

501 posted on 05/27/2024 6:22:42 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: Cronos

Arguing with you is pointless. You start either with a false premise or strawman argument and go to a false conclusion. Go, believe what your priest tells you. The Bible is the Bible. And Jesus was a Jew not a Catholic and nothing can change that.


502 posted on 05/27/2024 6:24:38 AM PDT by BipolarBob (it's easier to fool the people than to convince them they've been fooled.)
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To: BipolarBob
2 Peter 1:20,21 explicitly rejects sola scriptura
First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God (2 Pet. 1:20-21).

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies.

10 This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the flesh[c] and despise authority.

In 2:10 he describes these false teachers as “despising authority,” and then, in 3:16, he tells us they “twist the scriptures to their own destruction.”

The context of Peter’s letter leaves no room to doubt that Peter was condemning the private interpretation of Scripture, explicitly rejecting sola scriptura

503 posted on 05/27/2024 6:28:25 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: BipolarBob
A man made denomination will have man made oral traditions which are spurious.

Man-made denominations are those created in the 19th century like the Seventh Day Adventists, various groups following the pre-tribulation rapture, the Jehovah's witnesses, Mormons, Unitarian Universalists and Christian scientists

504 posted on 05/27/2024 6:29:40 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: BipolarBob
As to worship on the Lord's Day, the FIRST day of the week

Sabbath remains on Saturday. As Christians we since the days of the Apostles have CELEBRATED the resurrection of the Lord on the Lord's Day - Sunday

>Matthew 28:1: "Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb."

Mark 16:2: "Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen."

Acts 20:7: "Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight."

I Corinthians 16:2: "On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper that there be no collections when I come."

Remember Mark 2:27 says, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." and

"One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God," (Rom. 14:5-6).
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"Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ." (Col. 2:16-17).
A festival is yearly. A new moon is monthly. A Sabbath is weekly. No one is to act as your judge in regard to this. The Sabbath is defined as the mere shadow of what is to come (Jesus), the reality is Jesus. Jesus is our Sabbath. This is in reference to Isaiah 1:13 13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.

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Besides "And on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to depart the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight," (Acts 20:7).
as imadrmd1 wrote The people of Christ met originally in the evening pf the Roman midnight-to-midnight day of which the time before sundown was still Sabbath. To the Jew, the evening was the beginning of the sundown-to-sundown first day of the week.

"And upon the first dayof the weekσαββατων (sabbaton), when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight" (Acts 20:7 AV).

For at least 30 years after the resurrection/ascension of Jesus (Pentecost was on the first day of the week, likewise) the disciples met in the evening of the day of which the daylight was still Jewish Sabbath, thereby not violating Jewish sensitivities.

"Upon the first day of the weekσαββατων let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come" (1 Cor. 16:2 AV).

The Corinthians were commanded by Paul to meet on the first of the week and have their tithes ready to be gathered each week.

The whole week is a heptad, a bundle of seven, a week of days, a "sabbath" of days, wherein the last day for Jews was set aside for rest from work. But the evenin of that last day is the first day of a new sabbath of days, hence it is also a (new) sabbath.

If you are a sabbatarian, avvording to the law you musy stay at home, go no place, and do no woek. But also if you wish to thus come inder the Law, you must obey the law, all of it, without fail. And doing so will send you to Hades/Hell in it in any way.

You cannot be a Christian and be a sabbatarian.

505 posted on 05/27/2024 6:31:46 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: BipolarBob
I have a High Priest - Jesus - who is present at each Mass.

Jesus also taught His Apostles who passed down the right way to interpret scripture (as seen in the book of Acts)

26 Now an angel of the Lord said to Philip, “Go south to the road—the desert road—that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza.”

27 So he started out, and on his way he met an Ethiopian[a] eunuch, an important official in charge of all the treasury of the Kandake (which means “queen of the Ethiopians”). This man had gone to Jerusalem to worship,

28 and on his way home was sitting in his chariot reading the Book of Isaiah the prophet. 29 The Spirit told Philip, “Go to that chariot and stay near it.”

30 Then Philip ran up to the chariot and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. “Do you understand what you are reading?” Philip asked.

31 “How can I,” he said, “unless someone explains it to me?” So he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.

If you follow the false teachings of the sabbatarians and believe what your pastor or the watchtower or Ellen G White's false prophets and other modernists tell you, you disobey Jesus' own teachings.
506 posted on 05/27/2024 6:34:36 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: BipolarBob
BB The Bible is the Bible.

So then why do you include the books you have in the Bible? You do realize that they were agreed on in God directed council of the Church, right?

Why don't you include the Shepherd of Hermas?

And why don't you follow Luther and reject the Epistle of James as "an epistle of straw"?

507 posted on 05/27/2024 6:35:48 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: Cronos
You cannot be a Christian and be a Sabbatarian.

That would be news to Jesus and the Disciples. The Sabbath was instituted at Creation. Adam kept it. Moses kept it. Jesus kept it. But you do not. I think I know which camp I want to be in.

508 posted on 05/27/2024 6:39:54 AM PDT by BipolarBob (it's easier to fool the people than to convince them they've been fooled.)
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To: Cronos

You are wasting electrons, FReeper space and your time arguing with me. I am sure you have some more productive things to do with your life than quote Ignatius,Origien, Tertullian and Clement to me. They may/may not have wrote those things. I don’t care either way. Go, follow your priest and Pope.


509 posted on 05/27/2024 6:44:52 AM PDT by BipolarBob (it's easier to fool the people than to convince them they've been fooled.)
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To: BipolarBob

I’m not arguing with you, just pointing out that sola scriptura is not only not biblical, but is flat out against what Christ said.

Furthermore, You cannot be a Christian and be a sabbatarian.


510 posted on 05/27/2024 10:31:16 PM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: BipolarBob

Jesus inaugurated the worship of Himself when He arose on the Lord’s Day i.e. the first day of the week.

The sabbath is of the Old covenant. If you are Christian, you follow the New covenant - the Lord’s day to worship.


511 posted on 05/27/2024 10:32:29 PM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: Cronos
Jesus inaugurated the worship of Himself when He arose on the Lord’s Day i.e. the first day of the week.

You have it backwards. Jesus kept the Sabbath and rested in the tomb. Jesus kept the Sabbath His whole life. He stood up and recited in the synagogue on the Sabbath. Mark 2:28 He is the Lord of the Sabbath.

Matt 5:17,18 Think not that I am come to destroy the law (as the Pharisees and Catholics say) till heaven and earth pass (that hasn't happened yet) not one jot or tittle will pass from the law.

If ye love Me keep My Commandments. Too many do not heed this verse at all claiming to be Christians. it's not stylish. If you are a Christian you will follow His example and His words and not the cunning wisdom of the snake in Eden that has bewitched you with "Did Jesus really say to worship on the Sabbath"?

512 posted on 05/28/2024 6:51:11 AM PDT by BipolarBob (it's easier to fool the people than to convince them they've been fooled.)
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To: Cronos
If you are Christian, you follow the New covenant - the Lord’s day to worship.

Of course you may worship Him on Sunday or any day of the week. But the day He requires you to set aside is the Sabbath. It was instituted at Creation. It was wrote on stone tablets and God changeth not. The Ten Commandments are inviolable. Sacred and not to be shattered and cherry picked at your whim or desire.

Matt 24:20 Pray that your flight [from persecution and suffering] will not be in winter, or on a Sabbath. This event happened many years after His death. This enforces the idea there was no changing of the Sabbath. But the Sabbath was predicted to be changed Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws. So following the New Age thinking of Sunday as the new sabbath comes from the anti-Christ.

513 posted on 05/28/2024 7:02:13 AM PDT by BipolarBob (it's easier to fool the people than to convince them they've been fooled.)
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To: Cronos
I’m not arguing with you, just pointing out that sola scriptura is not only not biblical, but is flat out against what Christ said.

"I’m not arguing with you", Yes you are. be honest.

"just pointing out that sola scriptura is not only not biblical, but is flat out against what Christ said."

Three times in the Bible it warns against adding to the Words of God. Deut. 4:2, Prov. 30:5,6 and Rev 22:18,19.

2 peter 1:20 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Tell me Cronos did God speak to you or your Pope to contradict the Bible? What oral tradition or mans words do you want me to believe? The Bible says His Words are pure, a lamp unto my feet. Can you say the same about what your Church teaches?

514 posted on 05/28/2024 8:17:49 AM PDT by BipolarBob (it's easier to fool the people than to convince them they've been fooled.)
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To: BipolarBob
Nope, not arguing - just pointing out that sola scriptura is not biblical.

Deut 4:2 is only about the Mosaic Laws - read it

Now, Israel, hear the decrees and laws I am about to teach you. Follow them so that you may live and may go in and take possession of the land the Lord, the God of your ancestors, is giving you. 2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.
Prov 30:5-6 is referring to purely the Old Testament -- if you say "every word of God" to a text written in 1000 BC, that means that you reject the New Testament books in their entirety

Rev 22:18-19 is specifically and ONLY about the book of revelation.

515 posted on 05/28/2024 8:37:14 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: BipolarBob

Sticking to Rev 22:18-19 —> don’t you realize that “the book” referred to is just the book of the Revelation of the Apocalypse of St. John of Patmos?

It does not mean the COLLECTION of books called the Bible.

Do you realize that?


516 posted on 05/28/2024 8:38:23 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: Cronos
It does not mean the COLLECTION of books called the Bible.

I realize that three times the warning was made just because of YOUR Church's interpretation. You can say it. You can post it. You can shout it. I will stick with sola scriptura" and let God judge me for that.

John 5:39 Search the Scriptures. Jesus answered "It is written".

517 posted on 05/28/2024 8:45:05 AM PDT by BipolarBob (it's easier to fool the people than to convince them they've been fooled.)
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To: BipolarBob

You can stick with a non-scriptural belief of sola scriptura?

Sure you can. Jesus left us a Church, the Catholic church, not a book


518 posted on 06/06/2024 2:15:46 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: Cronos
Sure you can. Jesus left us a Church, the Catholic church, not a book

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is available to us, that was the helper He promised. I'll stick with Gods Word, you stick with mans traditions.

519 posted on 06/06/2024 5:39:24 AM PDT by BipolarBob (If at first you don't succeed then skydiving is not for you.)
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