[Cronos]

well, the pre-tribulation rapture isn’t Christian - it’s a modernist idea developed in the 1800s just like the Mormon philosophy or the Jehovah’s witness philosophy. And just like those two, the pre-tribulation rapture isn’t Christian either.

[Tell It Right]

I have trouble making my own eschatological timeline. Including a pre-trib rapture, or post-trib, or mid-trib. If I was forced to pick one it'd be mid-trip, because some scripture seems to point to a rapture before tribulation, but some seems to point to a rapture afterwards. Or maybe there's a mild tribulation and a greater tribulation.

For example, much of Revelation's mark of the beast level persecution of Christians is already being implemented, one could say, in most of the middle east. Look at how many nations implement the jizya tax on non-Muslims, or forbid Christians from owning businesses. That's been going on for centuries. If the rapture happened today, you could say it was post-tribulation or mid-tribulation (unless you insist that "world" in Revelation means global instead of regional, which I guess is possible, but not definitely so, given how "world" means region in other parts of the Bible).

[bigbob]

Rapture, be pure

[af_vet_1981]

well, the pre-tribulation rapture isn’t Christian - it’s a modernist idea developed in the 1800s just like the Mormon philosophy or the Jehovah’s witness philosophy. And just like those two, the pre-tribulation rapture isn’t Christian either.

That is a reach; there is nothing about the concept of a rapture that is fundamentally flawed. A rapture is not theologically heretical like the other religious philosophies, but rather a pre-tribulation rapture is incoherent as the timing is not yet revealed. It cannot be safely taught because it seems to conflict with the other scriptural references and is a relatively modern teaching, like Guadalupe, Fatima, et al. The Apostles were told it was not for them to know (yet). It really isn’t as strange as Fatima and Guadalupe, when one thinks about it, but I understand the confusion.

[Bullish]

I’ve always felt the way you do concerning the “rapture”, which is a word that is not found in my Bible.