Posted on 04/08/2024 5:41:17 PM PDT by Texan4Life
The silence in most churches regarding our “blessed hope” makes our expectation all the more difficult to maintain. On top of that, many of our Christian friends and family members believe it’s irrational to regard the Rapture as something that might happen anytime soon or even in our lifetime. Many in our churches think we are crazy for believing that there is such a thing as the Rapture or a seven-year Tribulation.
In spite of the long wait and scoffing that comes my way, I remain convinced that imminency is not only incredibly important for today, but also an essential aspect of our walk with the Savior.
(Excerpt) Read more at harbingersdaily.com ...
So you were taught by people who were taught by people who were taught by people who were ... but I digress. Do you know what “Dynamic Equivalency” is?
Do you know what “Dynamic Equivalency” is?
Imminent returning of the Savior is impossible if many prophesied events must occur first.
The apostles taught imminence.
Despite the abuse of Rome, God has always had believers following Bim in saving faith and teaching His Word.
I was taught the Greek language by learned men, yes.
do you favor being taught by unlearned men??
Did you even learn?
——>Well for 1800 years or so no mention of any Rapture in church history was ever mentioned; all those people were looking for the 2nd.
Dispensationalists deny historical truth. They believe in Satan’s deceptions. Any one of them could research the truth about the Rapture and Catholic Futurism. But they won’t, because they are invested 100% in that Satanic lie. The truth is right in their face, yet they ignore it. If alive when the end comes, most of them will take the mark of the beast, because they don’t know or care what it is. Same for the Antichrist. Why should they? At any moment they’ll be raptured and won’t have to deal with any of it. Dead wrong.
John Darby “developed” his theories after speaking with Margaret MacDonald and Edward Irving. Irving got his ideas from Emmanuel Lacunza, a Jesuit priest, (under the pseudonym Juan Josafat Ben Ezra) who wrote a book titled “The Coming of the Messiah in Glory and Majesty”. Irving found the book in one of the libraries there. It was written in Spanish. He translated it into English, and began preaching on it. Margaret MacDonald attended Irving’s Church. Lacunza developed his ideas from Francisco Ribera (Jesuit), Cardinal Robert Bellarmine (Jesuit), and Michael Walpole (Jesuit)…late 1500’s. All four priests are the founders of Catholic Futurism, the precursor of Dispensationalism/Pre-Trib Rapture, as a response to the Reformer’s claims that the Papacy was the Antichrist power, proven by the bible. Tracing Darby back to Futurism is 100% provable historical fact.
Yes.
Bro, you’re so wrong. I mean embarrassingly wrong.
I gave up pretending people who believe a prophetess flew to Jupiter,
can address truth objectively.
Good luck bro. Maranatha!
You should ask these Dispensationalists...
Did Edward Irving translate Lacunza’s book into English and then preach on it in his church? (yes)
Was Emmanual Lacunza a Jesuit priest? (yes)
Did Francisco Ribera (Jesuit), Cardinal Robert Bellarmine (Jesuit), Michael Walpole (Jesuit) and Emmanual Lacunza (Jesuit) come up with Futurism, the precursor of the Modern Rapture theory? (yes)
Was Margaret MacDonald a member of Irving’s church? (yes)
Is it HISTORICALLY DOCUMENTED that John Darby visited Edward Irving and Margaret MacDonald to discuss Rapture/Futurism? (yes)
Will Dispensationalists admit to any of it? (nope)
Proof of your assertions is required. But as I’ve told you before; you’ve got much bigger issues to deal with.
Here’s the first one, and easily provable. Anyone could look it up for themselves. Why do you refuse to do so?
Did Edward Irving translate Lacunza’s book (The Coming of the Messiah in Glory and Majesty) into English and then preach on it in his church?
I've read the complete history of the foundation of how this Rapture theory came about so there's nothing new you can tell me about it. I have a copy of Margret MacDonald's diary as well as writing by Darby and how Scofield elaborated on it. Scofield was a Seventh Day Adventist member who took over after Ellen G. White died, as well as Charles Taze Russell, founder of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society who was also a member of the Seventh Day Adventists. The whole Rapture doctrine came out of the Seventh Day Adventist movement after the failure of the White Robe Ascension failure of the 1850's under Ellen G. White.
——>Scofield was a Seventh Day Adventist member who took over after Ellen G. White died, as well as Charles Taze Russell, founder of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society who was also a member of the Seventh Day Adventists. The whole Rapture doctrine came out of the Seventh Day Adventist movement after the failure of the White Robe Ascension failure of the 1850’s under Ellen G. White.
Are you insane?
Here’s your proof.
https://www.birthpangs.org/articles/prophetic/Lacunza_vol1.pdf
“TRANSLATED FROM THE SPANISH, WITH A PRELIMINARY DISCOURSE,
BY THE REV. EDWARD IRVING, A.M.”
How about this one? Easy enough to validate, right? All anyone has to do is look it up, unless they’re afraid of the truth.
Was Margaret MacDonald a member of Irving’s church? (yes)
No dear, there are tens of thousands of denominations. Easy to check, ridiculous to deny. Some even broke away over disagreements over the color of the hymnals.
For instance are you:
Baptist
Methodist
Episcopalian
Lutheran
Presbyterian
Church of Christ
Assemblies of God
Pentacostal
Mormon
Jehovah’s Witnesses
Etc, etc....
Or some synod or flavor of those?
They all don’t believe the same.
The only thing they agree upon is they think the Catholic Church is wrong.
Think about that: the ONLY thing y’all agree upon is you think the Catholic Church is wrong.
Should make you pause and self reflect.
Dude, you had better read that article again, and THIS TIME, pay attention.
The article is AGAINST dispensationalism and the Scofield bible. There is absolutely NO ASSOCIATION with the SDA church.
https://www.ncregister.com/blog/we-need-to-stop-saying-that-there-are-33-000-protestant-denominations
Note also the source.
More here.
The “30,000 Protestant denominations” argument fails on several points. First, there are not 30,000 Protestant denominations. Even under the most liberal definition of what constitutes a denomination, there are nowhere close to 30,000 Protestant denominations. The only way to get even remotely close to the 30,000 figure is to count every minor separation as an entirely different denomination. Further, the vast majority of Protestant Christians belong to just a handful of the most common Protestant denominations; i.e., Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, Pentecostal, etc. Yes, it is undeniably sad that there are so many denominations, but the 30,000 Protestant denominations argument is an extreme exaggeration of the reality of the divisions within Protestantism.
https://www.gotquestions.org/Protestant-denominations.html
Roman Catholics continue to embarrass themselves attempting to perpetuate with this debunked lie.
However, scholars think there are major obstacles that render these accusations untenable. It is clear that Darby regarded the 1830 charismatic manifestations as demonic and not of God.[4] Darby would not have borrowed an idea from a source that he clearly thought was demonic.[7] Also Darby had already written out his pretribulation rapture views in January 1827, 3 years prior to the 1830 events and any MacDonald utterance.[8]: 24–25 When MacDonald's utterance is read closely, her statements appear to present a posttribulationist scenario ("being the fiery trial which is to try us" and "for the purging and purifying of the real members of the body of Jesus").[8]: 28 [9] Confusion on this point was enhanced because while MacDonald's vision as first published in 1840 describes a post-tribulation view of the rapture, a version published in 1861 lacked two important passages that appear to present a post-tribulation view: "This is the fiery trial which is to try us. - It will be for the purging and purifying of the real members of the body of Jesus" and "The trial of the Church is from Antichrist. It is by being filled with the Spirit that we shall be kept".[10] For these and other reasons, dispensational scholars consider MacPherson's alleged connection to dispensationalism as untenable.[1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_MacDonald_(visionary)
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