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What About The Sabbath
The Reason For My Faith ^ | 3/3/24 | Chuck Ness

Posted on 03/03/2024 3:31:37 PM PST by OneVike

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Throughout His ministry, Jesus never once broke the fourth commandment which required that all Jews observe the Sabbath. He was after all Jew. However, He did give us a clue that a change to the Sabbath was coming. To make my point, you must first understand that the original manuscripts of the Scriptures were not divided into verses and chapters.

The Old Testament manuscripts were written by scribes for the religious leaders to study. The New Testament manuscripts were letters originally written to be dispersed amongst the believers to read. They were like the letters you receive today. Just a document written in sentences and paragraphs with no verse or chapter numbers.

So you really had to know the transcripts well in order find any information you needed. Finally in the mid 16th century a Frenchman named, Robert Estienne (better known as Robertus Stephanus), would divide the Scriptures into chapters and verses. So today we can find passages by memorizing chapters and verses.

Now I must say, that while I do believe every Word of the Bible is the inspired Word of God, I do not believe that Stephanus's choices of where he decided to split some sentences up into different verses or chapters were inspired. I say so, because there are many instances in the Scriptures where a reader can be distracted or even misled as to what the passage is conveying.

Case in point is chapters 11 and 12 of Matthew's Gospel. I personally believe that he made a mistake by ending Matthew chapter 11 at verse 30. It's my belief that chapter 11 should have had 8 more verses for a total of 38. Thus it would end after the following statement by Jesus,

“For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”
(Matthew 12:8)

The following information is quite valuable in the apologetical debate on why so many are mistaken in their belief that Christians should observe Saturday as the Sabbath. Continuing on Jesus' statement in Matthew 12:8, I take you back to the end of Matthew chapter 11. Jesus had just finished telling the crowd that no one born of a woman is greater than John the Baptist, when He started telling everyone to come to Him for rest.

“Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
(Matthew 11:28-30)

By speaking about the concept of rest, the audience He is speaking to would automatically think of the Sabbath rest which God gave them. They were first told about this gift when Moses presented the Ten Commandments God handed to Him for the people to follow. As Moses read the tablets, he said,

Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it."
(Exodus 20:8-11)

By the time Jesus started His ministry, the Israelites had been observing the Sabbath for almost 1480 years. They understood that it was a day of rest, even for the animals. A day they were to be free from the labors of life that kept them from communing with God. So, when Jesus starts talking about rest at the end of chapter 11, he continues his thought process on through to verse 8 of chapter 12. So when He calls them to come to Him for rest, and then claims He is the Lord of the Sabbath, it goes without saying that this is all one thought process and thus chapter 11 should have ended at verse 38, with chapter 12 actually beginning at verse 9 where Matthew wrote,

Now when He had departed from there, He went into their synagogue.
(Matthew 12:9)

The next 20 verses do continue the matter of a rest, but not until Jesus moved to another site. Thus it then makes sense to split the chapter after Jesus made His statement about Him being the Lord of the Sabbath, and after he had arrived at a different location.

This is important, because when Jesus died on the cross, He fulfilled all the requirements of the Law, including the one that calls for us to obey the Sabbath, since as He stated, He is our Sabbath. Just as we are not bound by going through a High Priest by offering a sacrifice, we too do not need to follow the Jewish Law. We can reach God through Christ, on any day at anytime we so desire. Without going through the commandments of the law which Christ abolished.

After 1480 years, the Jews showed they could not follow the Law, and with Christ fulfilling it and the ceremonial ones, we are free from it. So with Jesus, being the Lord of the Sabbath, we are free to chose any day, and anytime to gather for communion and celebration of Him with no more legalistic requirements to follow the old obsolete law.

Any Christian following any portion of the Law, is doing what Paul preached against when he chastised the Judaizers who tried to put the Christians back into bondage to the Law. This is one of the things he wrote to the Colossians about when he said,

Let no one judge you in food or in drink,
or regarding a festival or a new moon or Sabbaths
(Colossians 2:16)

Paul also wrote that, if you observe any part of the Old Law, then you must follow it all. Does anyone truly want to be bound by the full weight of a law that God's own people could never follow? The answer is a resounding NO. Praise God, because we are free to worship HIM anywhere, on any day, at anytime by going through the One who fulfilled and abolished the law. Thus setting us free from a Law we could never dream of keeping.

The flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
(Galatians 5:17:18)

Thus if you are not under the law, you are not under any obligations to any of the ceremonial requirements either. Nor are you bound by the Jewish Sabbath as I pointed out above from Paul's letter to the Colossians. Anyone who feels obligated to an abolished symbolism of the Old Law is keeping themselves from truly enjoying all the freedom God offers us through His Son's death and Resurrection.

I now offer two more pieces of evidence. One comes from the mouth of our LORD Jesus Himself, when the rich young ruler asked, "what must i do to have eternal life?" Jesus replied to him;

You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,' 'Honor your father and your mother and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”
(Matthew 19:18-19)

The second one comes from Paul's letter to the Jewish Christians in Rome, we learn, not from what he wrote, but rather what he did not write when he listed the commandments we should obey. Mind you, Paul was once a Pharisee of Pharisees, a man who persecuted Jewish converts to Christianity for violating the commandments. So, let us look at what Paul left out when he wrote about the commandments we are to obey in his letter to the Romans.

Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," "YOU SHALL NOT MURDER," "YOU SHALL NOT STEAL," "YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS," "YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. And do this, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep; for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed.
(Romans 13:8-11)

It should be enough to read what Jesus said on this matter, but we also see Paul then teach that which our LORD HIMSELF said. So I ask you, what is NOT included in this list of commandments from Jesus and then Paul about which commandments we should obey to have eternal life? It is the Sabbath. If Paul himself is not obeying the Sabbath, than why would any born again Christian want to follow a regulation from a law that is obsolete? Obsolete, because Jesus fulfilled the letter of the law and became our Sabbath rest.

So many fail to understand that as a Jew, Jesus had to fulfill both the legal laws and ceremonial laws in order to abolish them, because all the high priests and all the blood they spilled never satisfied the law completely so it was never fulfilled. Yet the nano second he died, the curtain separating the inner and outer room was torn by GOD from top to bottom. Jesus fulfilled the requirements of the Law. Thus the new dispensation began that set us free from the law written on stone and the ceremonial regulations. Today we are justified, "Just As If We Have Not Sinned." We are cleansed by HIS blood and freed by the atoning work on the Cross.

Thank GOD we are free, free at last. Free from observing anything the old law said we had to do. Thus our Sabbath in now in Jesus, Who allows us to come straight through HIM as our mediator to GOD. Jesus is our traveling Tabernacle who resides in us, and thus our Sabbath it eternal. Eternal in that everyday is a Sabbath for us, and at any moment we can worship HIM, because we now worship HIM in Spirit and in Truth.

Yet there is more, because when we read what the author of Hebrews wrote, which most scholars agree was an epistle specifically written to the Jewish believers who were still struggling with the confines of the Mosaic law.

In that He say,  "A NEW COVENANT, He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. 
(Hebrews 8:13)
There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.
(Hebrews 4:9-11)

Finally, I share with you what was in the letter from the first council ever held by the elders of the church when the question arose about whether or not Gentile believers should be circumcised. In the letter they pointed out what they should follow, and keeping the Sabbath was NOT among the things they were instructed to follow. Anyone who claims the Sabbath must be kept by Christians, I would suggest you take it up with Peter and James who oversaw the council meeting on what rules the Gentile believers should follow.

Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas who was also named Barsabas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren. They wrote this letter by them: The apostles, the elders, and the brethren, To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia: Greetings. Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, "You must be circumcised and keep the law"—to whom we gave no such commandment— it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.
(Acts 15:27-29)

Praise God we are free from the bondage of a system that not only whitewashed our sin until a new animal was slain for it's blood to be spilled and sprinkled upon the mercy seat inside the inner room behind a curtain, but also held us hostage to worshipping together only on the sabbath. Once that curtain in the inner room was torn from top to bottom by GOD HIMSELF, we were set free to now enter into the presence of our LORD through our LORD, and commune with our LORD at any time on any day. Thank you JESUS!


TOPICS: Apologetics; General Discusssion; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: legalism; robertusstephanus; sabbath; sabbathrest; traditions
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To: delchiante

——>I’m not the one warning people about a visible mark on their hand and head...

Just goes to show how much you DON’T pay attention to anything I say.

The mark isn’t visible.


261 posted on 03/08/2024 1:18:49 PM PST by Philsworld (It's all short quips and funny memes, until you find that you've come up short in the judgment. )
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To: Philsworld

You declare it as an invisible mark in your diatribes?

I must have missed that word invisible in your discussions about the mark of the Beast..

I’ll start looking for that word a little more closely in your future comments..


262 posted on 03/08/2024 1:26:02 PM PST by delchiante
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To: delchiante

——>You sound bitter that your reliance on an Antichrist calendar can be debunked with just a few bible verses..

It’s only debunked in your mind.

Would you please point out, from the bible, where the Goddess Frigg day is? Chapter and verse please.


263 posted on 03/08/2024 1:49:09 PM PST by Philsworld (It's all short quips and funny memes, until you find that you've come up short in the judgment. )
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To: delchiante
You’ve too have a lot riding on the Pope.

Oh, you picked up on that did you? Me and Frankie are tight. I think you're jealous because you haven't ridden in the Popemobile with him like me. And I got to try on that wicked cool hat of his too. Don't let envy eat you up.

264 posted on 03/08/2024 2:20:03 PM PST by BipolarBob (If you bring up my past, you should know that Jesus dropped all of the charges.)
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To: Philsworld

I can’t.

But neither is Sunday, Tiwsday,Woden’s, Day, Thor’s Day, Saturn day..

There is a Moon Day in scripture,but it’s at the start of every month and not His 2nd work day like it is with the Pope calendar..

There is also a day on the Father’s calendar that commemorates His Creation of the Sun and moon, lights in the firmament, all on one day, His 4th Day.

But on the Pope Calendar, the sun day is its 1st work day, not the 4th like in the Father’s week.

In reality, thanks for confirming no frigg day in scripture.It gives an opportunity to show some ways ‘time and law’s being changed, as the prophet Daniel predicts, can be shown in real examples.

There is Passover though. The 14th Day every month and That’s the Father’s 6th Day in His 2nd work week every month.

That’s always His 6th work day.

And will be when His Kingdom comes.

That’s not something Judaism or Christianity believes today.

The goddess frigg day is their false reality and false 6th day, and realy has nothing to do with the Word or the Word Made Flesh.

It’s only found on the Antichrist Papacy calendar and catechism..

Of course they don’t call it false goddess.
That’s my emphasis because of testing the days of the week and finding out what each of those ‘days’ actually originate in places some might call pagan.

The reality is the week that world sets its work and worship schedule is a counterfeiting of time.

But it’s the only reality Satan,the Beast,And Antichrists provide, so who can war with it..

His scriptures are a worthy weapon to war with Satan, Beast and Antichrists.
But until His Kingdom Comes,the reality Satan sells will win.

Until it loses..

But Friday has to stay in place for the sake of Islam,Judaism and Christianity.
It’s the only reality that keeps Islam,Judaism and Christianity from completely collapsing..

Because they each need Friday

The Father and The Lamb,however,do not need Friday.


265 posted on 03/08/2024 3:02:34 PM PST by delchiante
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To: BipolarBob

Pope Gregory is the calendar I was testing with the scriptures.
Frankie,like Gregory are just Antichrist office holders..


266 posted on 03/08/2024 3:17:19 PM PST by delchiante
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To: delchiante

——>I can’t.

So HOW did you come up with your Goddess Frigg day conclusions/opinions, IF IT’S NOT IN THE BIBLE? You read something someone wrote, outside of scripture, and then made your conclusions? So, you don’t just read the bible?

——>But neither is Sunday, Tiwsday,Woden’s, Day, Thor’s Day, Saturn day..

But days 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 are, just as preincarnate Christ/God created.


267 posted on 03/08/2024 3:20:06 PM PST by Philsworld (It's all short quips and funny memes, until you find that you've come up short in the judgment. )
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To: delchiante

Never a break in continuity of the 7 day weekly cycle. I don’t care about what calendar we’re under, or what someone named the days. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 since creation, unbroken, uninterrupted.

“As to Question (1) - I can only state that in connection with the proposed simplification of the calendar, we have had occasion to investigate the results of the works of specialists in chronology and we have never found one of them that has ever had the slightest doubt about the continuity of the weekly cycle since long before the Christian era.”


268 posted on 03/08/2024 3:33:06 PM PST by Philsworld (It's all short quips and funny memes, until you find that you've come up short in the judgment. )
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To: Philsworld

I tested the days of the Roman Beast week with the scriptures and then went to figure out where the Roman Beast English names came from (except for Sun day, that’s pretty obvious)

I use the false goddess and false God and things like Saturn day for emphasis for any who might read this someday and something clicks in their head and start testing their deeply held beliefs with the scriptures..

I know Babylon is convinced that Saturnday is the 7th Day Sabbath.

The scriptures convinced me it isn’t..

When Babylon falls, it’s days named after gods, goddesses, planets and lights in the firmament will go away..

Its months will go away, some of which are also named after created things or even Emperors.

I absolutely get why Daniel’s 4th Beast, Rome, and the little horn has changed time..

There’s no way Satan can’t deceive the whole world without December 25, January 1,February 2, false goddess frigg day, false God saturn day and sun day..

I know all of that is considered the gospel truth to Romans..

One bible verse in Ezekiel, one sign in Revelation 12, and the remaining scriptures shows a completely different versionof Truth that isn’t based on anything affiliated with Daniels or Revelation Beasts..

You don’t have that luxury, do you?

Passover on a Babylonian day other than Friday didn’t compute to me before I really understood His calendar.

Your religion has a day that substitutes Passover..

My faith walk used to, too.

I learned that Judaism has postponement rules for Passover and I couldn’t find any of that in the scriptures, except for a delay of a full month, not a day or two if it conflicts with their Babylonian Saturday..

Passover is the Day My Savior died.

I learned that isn’t the same as what your religion teaches thanks to Daniel’s Beast and Revelation Beasts..

I learned that Paul and the Pope have competing versions of Christ.

And when I learned that Passover, like Him, changes not, it was quite a change in understanding the end times and the state of the deceived world.

Passover doesn’t get postponed on His calendar, unlike in Antichrist Judaism and Passover hasn’t been changed to Antichrist Roman Christianity Friday..

The same goes for the Sabbath Day on the 15th and the 16th Day, His first work day..

His version competes against Rome’s version.

Most aren’t at that marker on the faith path yet.

That’s much bigger than Saturday vs Sunday

That’s Truth vs False Christ

Rome leads to a false Christ
Friday leads to a false lamb
Saturnday leads to a false Sabbath
Sunday leads to a false Christ

It leads to Satan deceiving the whole world

You can’t and are unable to even contemplate that premise.

Because your ox gets gored too, if you do..

I wasn’t too proud to admit Satan deceives me..

And it’s ultimately him who is the enemy.
Islam,Judaism and Christianity are aligned with Satan in ways they just can’t see.

Just awaiting the end when Satan and his doctrines of demons in Islam,Judaism and Christianity all fall away.

May His Kingdom Come, on earth, as it is in Heaven..


269 posted on 03/08/2024 8:15:45 PM PST by delchiante
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To: BipolarBob

Yep.


270 posted on 03/08/2024 10:21:28 PM PST by Philsworld (It's all short quips and funny memes, until you find that you've come up short in the judgment. )
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To: Philsworld
In approaching the biblical prophetic year, the first task was to define its length, as determined by a comparison of related Scriptures containing similar time expressions. By subjecting these to a formal mathematical reasoning process, it was found that the prophetic year was equivalent to 360 days, and the prophetic month to 30 days.

Why would you need a prophetic year? God’s word and his creation are in perfect harmony. In fact we are told to look at creation to understand invisible things. In order to keep spring near the vernal equinox, every calendar has adjustments that must be used. Our years are not all the same length. God determined the length of a day, a month and a year when he put our solar system in motion. We know exactly how long each one is , we do not need to average various errors to find out

There is purpose in everything God does. You will never discover why God used the ratios that he used because you must have a 30 day month and a 360 day year to promote your error.
271 posted on 03/10/2024 12:18:53 PM PDT by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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To: Seven_0; Philsworld
God’s word and his creation are in perfect harmony.

No they aren't. There's no perfect harmony on this earth. We live in sin.
Now as to years, it used to be 360 days to a year but it is no more. That stopped when the Flood came. That changed a whole lot of things. We used to have a protective mist dome over the earth. No more. We now have clouds and rains instead of the mist watering the earth.
The earth has a wobble to it now. We have seasons and polar caps and mountains and canyons.
The earth today is very different from the beginning.

272 posted on 03/10/2024 2:51:42 PM PDT by BipolarBob (If you bring up my past, you should know that Jesus dropped all of the charges.)
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To: BipolarBob; Seven_0; delchiante

——>Now as to years, it used to be 360 days to a year but it is no more. That stopped when the Flood came.

Here’s what I see: Biblically, it’s still 360 days/year. To compensate for the solar year of 365.24 days/year, Israel added a 13th month every few years, keeping the lunar calendar in line with the solar calendar. Evidently that’s spelled out in Ezekiel/vision from God (I’m researching that right now). Prophetically and literally (solar year), the 1260 years of 538-1798 are equivalent. I’ll post some articles later (not for Delchiante, though, because he doesn’t read anything except the bible....just messing with you Del 😁...but seriously?)


273 posted on 03/12/2024 8:17:35 AM PDT by Philsworld (It's all short quips and funny memes, until you find that you've come up short in the judgment. )
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To: Philsworld; BipolarBob; Seven_0

Phil,

354 lunar year + 365 solar year= 719

719/2 = 359.5

The two average to 360 days today.

That’s 29.5 average lunar days every month.
That’s 30.4 average days every month for the solar.

That’s about 30 days each month if they are added and averaged together.

In Noah’s day, it started to rain on 2/17. And the bible says there was 150 days where the rain prevailed on earth.

Next date in scripture detailed is the 17th day of His 7th month,or as we would see it, 7/17.

That’s exactly 5 months lunar.
That’s exactly 150 days if the year has 360 days and 30 days each month.

On the lunar calendar today,that doesn’t happen, yet according to the bible, it happened at the flood.
One only reaches about

Maybe if one counts February 17- July 17, one will get 150 days today,but that’s not the days of Noah.

150 days in Noah’s time, according to the scriptures, was an even 5 months- 2/17-7/17.

That doesn’t happen on the lunar calendar today.

Again if one averages a lunar year of 354 and a solar year of 365,one gets an average of 359.5,or about 360 days.

But neither reflect an exact 360 day year or a 150 day 5 months like Noah’s time reflected at the flood.

Combined, the average does.
Separate, neither do.
One is over 360 and one is below 360.
But the lunar used to be 360 only because of Noah’s timekeeping detailed at the flood.

Without the memtion of the 17th Day of the 2nd month,the mention of 150 days, and the mention of 17th Day of 7th month,we wouldn’t be able to know what at month period equated to back then vs now..

360, 354,365 all have had a purpose in telling time.

The only option one has is of there was exactly 30 days each month in Noah’s day,something changed to what one sees as 29.5 average days in the lunar months today.

The only change that seems to fit is the flood did something to the Creation and balance.

And I have no scientific proof that it was exactly 360 days and 30 days each month in Noah’s day.
Just,by faith, accepting that the 5 months spread detailed in Noah’s time= 150 days which makes each of those 5 months exactly 30 days long..

And maybe the solar calendar today can make the 150 days work for 5 months, but it can’t make the 360 work for 12 months.

The sun and moon were to be used in signs, appointments, days and years according to scripture.
One or the other exclusively misses something.


274 posted on 03/12/2024 9:00:25 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: delchiante; Philsworld; BipolarBob
The sun and moon were to be used in signs, appointments, days and years according to scripture.
One or the other exclusively misses something.


The lights were to be used. Scripture is precise. Averaging a solar year with 12 lunar cycles give a number that is meaningless.
275 posted on 03/12/2024 10:39:06 AM PDT by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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To: Seven_0; Philsworld; BipolarBob

Seven,

The only reason I averaged the 354 lunar with the 365 solar is the average is 360..

And that’s the number being discussed here,whether literal,or symbolic, it’s interesting to me that they both will arrive at 360 together,yet not 360 separate.

If a lunar cycle either gets back to 360 or arrives at a future 360, it’ll mean the solar cycle has to reduce to 360 as well.

Today, they both can co exist and sun worshipping Rome will tell the world it’s Tiwsday March 12th and the lunar calendar can say it’s His 1st day of His 1st month, or His 1st day of His 7th month, depending on if one is telling to time as the days of Moses or as in the days of Noah..

Judaism will add a 13 month but it looks like that should happen next ‘year’, not this month.

The reality is neither the lunar or the solar can reach exactly 360 days today without something major happening to the earth, the sun and/or the moon..

It would increase the current 354 lunar by 6 days and reduce the current 365 down by 5 days.

Only then,would 12 months on the calendar would = 360 days and 30 days/month.

The calendar would then be accounted this way:

1 New Moon as First Day
24 work days
4 Sabbath days
1 new moon as Last Day

A total of 30 days. (1+24+4+1)

Note that 24 and 4 and a Throne where the First and Last sits in Revelation is detailed..a Lamb slain is also detailed as being in the middle..

That template is a heaven sent template that can’t fully be observed or rehearsed in a 354 day lunar year or in a 365 day solar year..
It’s observed in a 30 day month template.
Something that happens about 6 months in a lunar calendar year, while the remaining 6 months have only 29 days.

1+24+4 or 29 still is most of that heavenly template, but not exactly 30..


276 posted on 03/12/2024 11:44:12 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: delchiante

I don’t know of any evidence of a 360 day year ever. Some say it was 360 days before the flood but the cannot say whether it has somehow changed since then. Today we can measure the equinoxes and solstices to a few seconds, we set our clock and calendar by the movement of the sun and the earth, but to use the orbit of the earth and the orbit of the sun to get an average year simply dosen’t work.

You seem to know something of the numerical structure of scripture, look at the metonic cycle and see what numbers pop out. God did this in scripture and in creation. This is the basis of the Hebrew calendar certainly since the days of Daniel and probably since they were in Egypt.


277 posted on 03/12/2024 1:25:27 PM PDT by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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To: Seven_0
You seem to know something of the numerical structure of scripture, look at the metonic cycle and see what numbers pop out.

Can you elaborate on that? Thanks.

278 posted on 03/12/2024 1:48:25 PM PDT by gitmo (If your biography doesn't match your theology, what good is it?)
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To: Seven_0

I went to see what metonic cycle was that you referenced.

I personally only began keeping track of the moon reckoning of time sometime in 2012/2013, so not at 19 yet, like that cycle states, but I have noticed that it’s been a solid 2 out of every 3 years is 12 months long and only one is 13 months long.

So, instead of 3 years being 36 months, there is 37 months, etc.

In the counting I started with, the 13 was first, then 2 segments of 12. (13,12,12 then 13,12,12 then 13,12,12 then 13,12,12, and due for a 13 this year but that would mean a 4th winter month is to be added 12 months from now)

When I went to look at some of the people who pay attention to the barley crops and harvest this time of year in Israel, they differ, but there is some harvest ready, and the pattern He has been showing me would make a rather ‘early March Spring start not as surprising as it would to some..
But if one looks on the Pope Gregory calendar, Passover on that isn’t 13 days away like His Creation and His harvest would dictate, but about 43 days away.

I’ll stick with the pattern He showed me and see Passover is 13 days away.
And next winter would mean a 13th, and about 13 years of a cycle that I didn’t know had a name until you referenced it today.

Gracias for that..

Have no idea what part of the actual 19 I started on, but I know it’s been remarkable in predicting the 12 months vs an added 13th month.

And of course understanding how it really is remarkable that a 13th month wouldn’t seem so out of line when Christ and His 12 totaled 13..
And every day and month is all about Him and His work and His plan, and if Judeo Christianity ever finds this out this side of the Kingdom, Satan has only Islam to fool then..


279 posted on 03/12/2024 4:21:11 PM PDT by delchiante
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The metonic cycle is a 19 year cycle that synchronizes the solar and lunar cycles. The Hebrew calendar uses 12 lunar cycles (29.5 days) for a year. That is not long enough so they add a month when necessary to keep the seasons right. In the 19 year cycle there are 7 years with 13 months and 12 years with 12 months.

Though seven and twelve are not the most common numbers in scripture, they are the most conspicuous numbers in the Bible. Their meaning along with all the other numbers is gleaned from the way God uses them: both in scripture and in creation. The entire Bible can be outlined by the numbers. There is an example on my homepage. The more examples you look at the more defined the meaning of the numbers becomes.


280 posted on 03/13/2024 9:04:52 PM PDT by Seven_0 (You cannot fool all of the people, ever!)
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