Posted on 03/03/2024 3:31:37 PM PST by OneVike
Throughout His ministry, Jesus never once broke the fourth commandment which required that all Jews observe the Sabbath. He was after all Jew. However, He did give us a clue that a change to the Sabbath was coming. To make my point, you must first understand that the original manuscripts of the Scriptures were not divided into verses and chapters.
The Old Testament manuscripts were written by scribes for the religious leaders to study. The New Testament manuscripts were letters originally written to be dispersed amongst the believers to read. They were like the letters you receive today. Just a document written in sentences and paragraphs with no verse or chapter numbers.
So you really had to know the transcripts well in order find any information you needed. Finally in the mid 16th century a Frenchman named, Robert Estienne (better known as Robertus Stephanus), would divide the Scriptures into chapters and verses. So today we can find passages by memorizing chapters and verses.
Now I must say, that while I do believe every Word of the Bible is the inspired Word of God, I do not believe that Stephanus's choices of where he decided to split some sentences up into different verses or chapters were inspired. I say so, because there are many instances in the Scriptures where a reader can be distracted or even misled as to what the passage is conveying.
Case in point is chapters 11 and 12 of Matthew's Gospel. I personally believe that he made a mistake by ending Matthew chapter 11 at verse 30. It's my belief that chapter 11 should have had 8 more verses for a total of 38. Thus it would end after the following statement by Jesus,
“For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”
(Matthew 12:8)
The following information is quite valuable in the apologetical debate on why so many are mistaken in their belief that Christians should observe Saturday as the Sabbath. Continuing on Jesus' statement in Matthew 12:8, I take you back to the end of Matthew chapter 11. Jesus had just finished telling the crowd that no one born of a woman is greater than John the Baptist, when He started telling everyone to come to Him for rest.
“Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
(Matthew 11:28-30)
By speaking about the concept of rest, the audience He is speaking to would automatically think of the Sabbath rest which God gave them. They were first told about this gift when Moses presented the Ten Commandments God handed to Him for the people to follow. As Moses read the tablets, he said,
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it."
(Exodus 20:8-11)
By the time Jesus started His ministry, the Israelites had been observing the Sabbath for almost 1480 years. They understood that it was a day of rest, even for the animals. A day they were to be free from the labors of life that kept them from communing with God. So, when Jesus starts talking about rest at the end of chapter 11, he continues his thought process on through to verse 8 of chapter 12. So when He calls them to come to Him for rest, and then claims He is the Lord of the Sabbath, it goes without saying that this is all one thought process and thus chapter 11 should have ended at verse 38, with chapter 12 actually beginning at verse 9 where Matthew wrote,
Now when He had departed from there, He went into their synagogue.
(Matthew 12:9)
The next 20 verses do continue the matter of a rest, but not until Jesus moved to another site. Thus it then makes sense to split the chapter after Jesus made His statement about Him being the Lord of the Sabbath, and after he had arrived at a different location.
This is important, because when Jesus died on the cross, He fulfilled all the requirements of the Law, including the one that calls for us to obey the Sabbath, since as He stated, He is our Sabbath. Just as we are not bound by going through a High Priest by offering a sacrifice, we too do not need to follow the Jewish Law. We can reach God through Christ, on any day at anytime we so desire. Without going through the commandments of the law which Christ abolished.
After 1480 years, the Jews showed they could not follow the Law, and with Christ fulfilling it and the ceremonial ones, we are free from it. So with Jesus, being the Lord of the Sabbath, we are free to chose any day, and anytime to gather for communion and celebration of Him with no more legalistic requirements to follow the old obsolete law.
Any Christian following any portion of the Law, is doing what Paul preached against when he chastised the Judaizers who tried to put the Christians back into bondage to the Law. This is one of the things he wrote to the Colossians about when he said,
Let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or Sabbaths
(Colossians 2:16)
Paul also wrote that, if you observe any part of the Old Law, then you must follow it all. Does anyone truly want to be bound by the full weight of a law that God's own people could never follow? The answer is a resounding NO. Praise God, because we are free to worship HIM anywhere, on any day, at anytime by going through the One who fulfilled and abolished the law. Thus setting us free from a Law we could never dream of keeping.
The flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
(Galatians 5:17:18)
Thus if you are not under the law, you are not under any obligations to any of the ceremonial requirements either. Nor are you bound by the Jewish Sabbath as I pointed out above from Paul's letter to the Colossians. Anyone who feels obligated to an abolished symbolism of the Old Law is keeping themselves from truly enjoying all the freedom God offers us through His Son's death and Resurrection.
I now offer two more pieces of evidence. One comes from the mouth of our LORD Jesus Himself, when the rich young ruler asked, "what must i do to have eternal life?" Jesus replied to him;
You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,' 'Honor your father and your mother and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”
(Matthew 19:18-19)
The second one comes from Paul's letter to the Jewish Christians in Rome, we learn, not from what he wrote, but rather what he did not write when he listed the commandments we should obey. Mind you, Paul was once a Pharisee of Pharisees, a man who persecuted Jewish converts to Christianity for violating the commandments. So, let us look at what Paul left out when he wrote about the commandments we are to obey in his letter to the Romans.
Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," "YOU SHALL NOT MURDER," "YOU SHALL NOT STEAL," "YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS," "YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. And do this, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep; for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed.
(Romans 13:8-11)
It should be enough to read what Jesus said on this matter, but we also see Paul then teach that which our LORD HIMSELF said. So I ask you, what is NOT included in this list of commandments from Jesus and then Paul about which commandments we should obey to have eternal life? It is the Sabbath. If Paul himself is not obeying the Sabbath, than why would any born again Christian want to follow a regulation from a law that is obsolete? Obsolete, because Jesus fulfilled the letter of the law and became our Sabbath rest.
So many fail to understand that as a Jew, Jesus had to fulfill both the legal laws and ceremonial laws in order to abolish them, because all the high priests and all the blood they spilled never satisfied the law completely so it was never fulfilled. Yet the nano second he died, the curtain separating the inner and outer room was torn by GOD from top to bottom. Jesus fulfilled the requirements of the Law. Thus the new dispensation began that set us free from the law written on stone and the ceremonial regulations. Today we are justified, "Just As If We Have Not Sinned." We are cleansed by HIS blood and freed by the atoning work on the Cross.
Thank GOD we are free, free at last. Free from observing anything the old law said we had to do. Thus our Sabbath in now in Jesus, Who allows us to come straight through HIM as our mediator to GOD. Jesus is our traveling Tabernacle who resides in us, and thus our Sabbath it eternal. Eternal in that everyday is a Sabbath for us, and at any moment we can worship HIM, because we now worship HIM in Spirit and in Truth.
Yet there is more, because when we read what the author of Hebrews wrote, which most scholars agree was an epistle specifically written to the Jewish believers who were still struggling with the confines of the Mosaic law.
In that He say, "A NEW COVENANT, He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
(Hebrews 8:13)
There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.
(Hebrews 4:9-11)
Finally, I share with you what was in the letter from the first council ever held by the elders of the church when the question arose about whether or not Gentile believers should be circumcised. In the letter they pointed out what they should follow, and keeping the Sabbath was NOT among the things they were instructed to follow. Anyone who claims the Sabbath must be kept by Christians, I would suggest you take it up with Peter and James who oversaw the council meeting on what rules the Gentile believers should follow.
Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas who was also named Barsabas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren. They wrote this letter by them: The apostles, the elders, and the brethren, To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia: Greetings. Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, "You must be circumcised and keep the law"—to whom we gave no such commandment— it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.
(Acts 15:27-29)
Praise God we are free from the bondage of a system that not only whitewashed our sin until a new animal was slain for it's blood to be spilled and sprinkled upon the mercy seat inside the inner room behind a curtain, but also held us hostage to worshipping together only on the sabbath. Once that curtain in the inner room was torn from top to bottom by GOD HIMSELF, we were set free to now enter into the presence of our LORD through our LORD, and commune with our LORD at any time on any day. Thank you JESUS!
RWC can now read minds. ONLY God can read our thoughts. And you aren't God.
" skipping Belief, Grace, and a Sincere Heart"
Again you have placed your judgmental throne with The Most Highs (same mistake Lucifer made). You have no idea of my faith, or grace God has bestowed or the condition of my heart. You betray yours with false accusations though.
And as far as "sneaking" into Heaven on just one Commandment, you imply I ignore the other nine.
"Nevermind the murderous thoughts or false witness his cult has for those who do not believe as they do."
Jesus was mocked for His association with Tax collectors and prostitutes. Imperfect people they are but still . . "murderous thoughts".
Is lying a sin? Is it okay for you to lie to me? It doesn't hurt me, you understand but while you are calling me out of (imaginary) accusations, let me remind you of what you said to me once.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/religion/4164405/posts?page=44#44
You mean when the earth was “without form and void”? I take it that you aren’t a creationist?
That’s about 1500 years after the flood.
Correction...1500 years after creation.
Well it’s about time we had a cult meeting to see if anybody has Murdered anybody or just thought about it. I was going to ping Mark but I don’t see where he posted on this thread and he Left off Wuli and Douglas for some reason which seems unfair. I mean if we’re going to paint everybody with thought crimes, it should be thorough. I’ve given this “sneaking into Heaven” some thought and wondered if a person could dig under the walls to get in. Any thoughts on this? And I believe the walls are pretty high (can’t remember the dimensions) and pole vaulting over seemed out of the question.
There was 360 days a year before the flood.
But that’s the price of a flood, it changed the moon phases to what we have today..
But this poster isnt into using the moon to tell time.
They are solar time tellers like their Pope
The moon phases today messes with 42 months or 3 1/2 years too.
The only people that get exactly 42 months and 3 1/2 years are sun worshipping timekeepers like Rome and the Pope.
The Father’s calendar has 43 months for every 42 solar.. The Father’s 3 1/2 years has 43, not 42 months.
One clue to who the enemy is in the end times thanks to telling time using His sun and moon.
Just like He designed it on His 4th day.
Dig under? Probably not. The foundation runs too deep and the city sits on bedrock (see what I did there?). As for going over the walls, angels in machine gun towers will get you every time. The best way in is definitely sneaking in as part of the catering/party crew. I know it was tried in the movie “Under Siege”, and God would certainly be looking for it (He probably has that movie recorded on DVD), but it could totally work. Yep, been thinking about it for a quite some time.
There was 360 days a year before the flood.
But that’s the price of a flood, it changed the moon phases to what we have today.
1260 prophetic days...12:40 - 27:30 (+/-)
https://youtu.be/Ip8HaGvzbeE
You are saying that the little horn ruled from 538AD to 1798AD or 1260 years.
What allows you to use 365.24 day per year instead of the 360 days per year that you insist on?
Here’s an excellent article, EXACTLY on point of our discussion. It is NOT written by a SDA, but it does quote Leroy Froom (SDA) and his supporting article.
The BIBLICAL PROPHETIC YEAR ITS LENGTH, ORIGIN AND APPLICATION
ZIONS TOWER of the MORNING TRACT PUBLICATIONS P. O. Box 28021 Detroit, Mich. 48228 1983
From the Conclusion:
In approaching the biblical prophetic year, the first task was to define its length, as determined by a comparison of related Scriptures containing similar time expressions. By subjecting these to a formal mathematical reasoning process, it was found that the prophetic year was equivalent to 360 days, and the prophetic month to 30 days.
The next inquiry, almost a parenthesis to the study, was to probe the origin of these lengths; that is, to consider how the Creator might have decided upon employing a 360-day year and a 30-day month for use in biblical prophecy. The conclusions, of course, could only be suggestive, since they are not positively stated in the Bible. Nonetheless, in correlating Scripture with naturally recurring motions of the sun, earth, and moon, certain relationships were evident. An average of the solar and “lunar” years yielded 359.80 days, and of the Gregorian and Jewish months, 29.98 days, almost identical with the prophetic 360-day year and 30-day month.
Here’s another article with similar conclusions. Also, NOT from a Seventh-day-Adventist as far as I know.
https://www.360calendar.com/find_New_Year_on_360_calendar.html
The 40-year cycles of the 360 calendar produces an average year the same as the Julian calendar, (365.25 days). This makes for easy conversions between calendars. However, the 360 calendar also has a leap-month correction every 4000 years (100 generations). This makes the 360 calendar just as accurate as our modern Gregorian calendar, which means that one can count backward and forward in time by increments of 4000 years and always know what our calendar year would be on the 360 calendar. Thus, the 360 calendar repeats itself on the Julian calendar every 40 years and on our modern (Gregorian) calendar every 4000 years. The 360 calendar can be further adjusted every 100,000 years (1000 generations of 100 years) for extreme accuracy, yet maintaining the simplicity of round biblical numbers. At this level (of 365.2422 average days in a year) it is out only about one day every 100,000 years. The calendar begins at the exodus from Egypt of Israel on 1446 BC.
There was exactly 12 months and 30 days at the flood.
One can do the math in the bible.
You were tasked with doing the math with regards to the current 29.5 moon phase, which isn’t 30 days.
The current count is after the 29th Day on His calendar (not your Antichrist’s calendar) one seeks out the new crescent at the end of that day..
If it is seen, Day one of the New Month begins that next morning.
If it isn’t seen, Day 30th, also called new moon, is added, and Day one of the next New Month will begin the Day after the 30th.
That wasn’t needed before the flood.
All months were 30 days.
Anybody who told time using His Sun AND Moon could know what day it was, or at least where one was in His months, by looking at the moon phase.
Full moon- half the month is over.
That has changed. It’s no longer that way.
If the Days of Noah ever return literally, and each month is 30 days again, and 360 days in every year, I have no idea what has to happen to the earth or the moon to make that happen.
That’s a science question.
But what one can know is if they follow Noah’s flood journey, 360 was the year. The math is there.
But the math is also there with New Moon Day,6 work days, Sabbath,or 1+6+1,in the scriptures.
You use a lot of non biblical sources to try to explain away what’s found in His Word and His Creation..
That’s not a winning strategy..
——>One can do the math in the bible.
Both articles I linked did the math. Did you read them?
No.
I read the Bible
In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah’s wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.
15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the Lord shut him in.
17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.
17th Day of 2nd month
150 days
8 And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters assuaged;
2 The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;
3 And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.
4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.
17th month of 7th month
17th Day of 2nd month - 17th Day of 7th month= 150 days= 5x30
As in the days of Noah..
If you try to start on His calendar at 2/17 to 7/17 in the scriptures, you will not get 150 days today.
Its either 147 or 148 days.
To reach 150 days on His calendar, like detailed in Genesis, one needs 30 days each month, which means 12 months = 360 days
That’s according to the scriptures.
Because the world doesn’t tell time like Noah, or Moses, or the prophets did, lots of doctrines like using just the Sun to tell time, can expose Satanic and Antichrist lies and realities that can fall today, and eventually will fall,when Babylon falls..
Since Babylon believes there are 42 months in 3 1/2 of their years, and their reality confirms it, they miss that the Father currently has 43 months in His 3 1/2 years..
It used to be 42 months, but something occured in the past that caused His years to have an extra moon/month every three years..
And someday, if Noah times come back, there will be 30 days each month, and 150 days will mean exactly 5 months on His calendar again.
It isn’t yet.
30 days every month will mean every month will have an Amos 8:5 moment every month.
Maybe that’ll only come when His Kingdom comes.
We can know 1 New Moon at the Start, 24 work days, 4 Sabbath’s, and a new moon 30th day , equals 30.
But today it’s definitely 29 days at least every month in scriptures.
Antichrist’s calendar has one month that only gets 28 days ...
If one tells time like the bible can teach, that’s evidence of what the prophet Daniel predicted..
I use a lot of non-biblical sources to try to explain away what’s found in His Word and His Creation?
Those who wrote those articles read the bible too. You have an opinion and so do they. What makes you and your printed opinion FR any more believable or reliable? There will probably be billions of Christians that find themselves on the wrong side of the Judgment because of what they thought the bible said, and then fooled by false doctrine. Has God ever inspired NON-BIBLICAL writers over the course of history (of course He has). How would you know? You only read the bible? Right? Did you have any help in coming up with your opinion? Evidently not. You opened up the bible and now you know everything. I am very happy for you.
Why did people like Martin Luther and Charles Spurgeon even bother to write? All anyone has to do is read the bible for themselves. Church fathers’ opinions? Who cares, right? Just pick up a bible and you’re good to go.
You sound bitter that your reliance on an Antichrist calendar can be debunked with just a few bible verses..
Actually just one verse.
And then gets reinforced by other places in the scriptures.
That’s the premise of testing and proving all things with scripture.
That’s also the only offensive weapon a person of faith has..
I’m not the one warning people about a visible mark on their hand and head,warning saps who don’t worship when the Beast says Antichrist Judaism has always worshipped, are doomed.
There’s actually one that invisible to us today, and the Beast and Antichrist are selling things like False goddess Frigg day as their gospel truth..
Without the scriptures, some person of faith may actually buy and sell that as truth, as opposed to buying gold refined by fire..
Worshipping the Beast is a no no in your doctrines right?
Wandering after the Beast is a no no in your doctrines right?
How bout trusting Antichrist is a no no in your doctrines right?
You and I just appear to differ on the timing, or time, in general..
I’ll stick with the 27th Day of His 12th month, as in the days of Moses, or the 27th Day of His 6th month, as in the Days of Noah.
His 5th Work Day in His 4th work week
A day that commemorates Him creating the creatures in the sea and birds of the heaven..
The Beast and Antichrist sell that on their Thors day.
The Beast and Antichrist sell their Goddess Frigg day is the day she created the remaining beasts of the earth and man..
Amazing what a difference a day can make in whether one is wandering after the Beast or following the Lamb in the end times..
On The Beasts Sunday March 9, it’s actually the Father’s 29th Day and His 7th Day Sabbath.
A day the Beast and Antichrist call their first work day.
Quite a thing to be able to observe from a distance.
And I certainly am not condemning Saturnday or Sunday keepers.
The Bible says Satan deceives the whole world.
I believe it because I can see it.
And I didn’t get to see it until I was allowed to.
And I also don’t think Islam,Judaism and Christianity will stop wandering after the Beast and Antichrist until His Kingdom comes..
But Muslims,Jews and Christians can.
Here’s a clue. Put Delchiante on your ignore list. There’s no winning or reasoning with him/her. It’ll save you a lot of time and trouble. Life’s too short.
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Put Delchiante on your ignore list. There’s no winning or reasoning with him/her...
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Good advice,bipolar. Can’t win or reason against Paul’s and scripture first importance of the gospel:
Passover,Unleavened Bread,First Fruits
6th Day, Sabbath,1st Day
14th,15th,16th..
Something that comes to pass every month on the Father’s calendar, that isn’t ordained by the Pope Gregory calendar..
The Pope and Beast sell another 3 days and another Jesus than Paul and the scriptures.
Buy the Truth.
Or not.
You’ve too have a lot riding on the Pope.
Good luck with that..
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