Daniel 7:25
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Daniel 7:25
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Translated: She claims to forgive sin and calls herself God on earth, she persecuted millions during the dark ages, time , times and dividing of time......1260 years. Time is a year, times is 2 years, half a time is exactly 3.5 years. Year for day in prophecy = 1260 days. Papacy ruled from 538 to 1798, when the pope was taken captive suffering a wound. Finally, she attempted to change set times and law, the Sabbath, the only law having to do time.....holy time.
And her deadly wound has healed. Look around , the world marvels after her again. All going to Rome looking to her for answers. And on common doctrine there will be unity as the world implodes. Ya ain’t seen nothing yet. And she hates the Sabbath...it exposes her.
how do you change the Sabbath, set at Creation? isn’t that why Sunday is called ‘the Lord’s Day’?
Very interesting statement, the last statement in her catechism about Sunday legislation. She is for a law enforcing Sunday worship. And we know that’ will come.
From the Catechisim:
“In respecting religious liberty and the common good of all, Christians should seek recognition of Sundays and the Church’s holy days as legal holidays.”
Notice....”common good for all.”
HA!.....wait till the earth is brought to it’s knees with unprecendented catastrophic events. Sunday is coming and the whole issue in Revelation is.........”WORSHIP.” Worship the beast or worship the creator. The Sabbath commemorates Creation.
Please give it a rest.
[Daniel 7:25
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.]
Satan’s anti-messiah will indeed do just that. I believe that verse is speaking specifically about him.
I’m not even going to engage with stubbornly blind people.
It’s called ‘tradition’, and even Protestants follow it.
Tradition can stand alone, but without tradition, the Bible is nothing.
These laws were passed at a time when the U.S. was basically a Protestant country, and in many cases openly hostile to Catholicism.
Some religious organizations (Seventh-day Adventists, Seventh-Day Baptists, and certain others) claim that Christians must not worship on Sunday but on Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath. They claim that, at some unnamed time after the apostolic age, the Church “changed” the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.
However, passages of Scripture such as Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Colossians 2:16-17, and Revelation 1:10 indicate that, even during New Testament times, the Sabbath is no longer binding and that Christians are to worship on the Lord’s day, Sunday, instead.
The early Church Fathers compared the observance of the Sabbath to the observance of the rite of circumcision, and from that they demonstrated that if the apostles abolished circumcision (Gal. 5:1-6), so also the observance of the Sabbath must have been abolished.
The following quotations show that the first Christians understood this principle and gathered for worship on Sunday.
The Didache “But every Lord’s day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned” (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).
The Letter of Barnabas “We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead” (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).
Ignatius of Antioch “[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death” (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).
Justin Martyr “But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead” (First Apology 67 [A.D. 155]).
The Didascalia “The apostles further appointed: On the first day of the week let there be service, and the reading of the holy scriptures, and the oblation [sacrifice of the Mass], because on the first day of the week [i.e., Sunday] our Lord rose from the place of the dead, and on the first day of the week he arose upon the world, and on the first day of the week he ascended up to heaven, and on the first day of the week he will appear at last with the angels of heaven” (Didascalia 2 [A.D. 225]).
Origen “Hence it is not possible that the [day of] rest after the Sabbath should have come into existence from the seventh [day] of our God. On the contrary, it is our Savior who, after the pattern of his own rest, caused us to be made in the likeness of his death, and hence also of his resurrection” (Commentary on John 2:28 [A.D. 229]).
Victorinus “The sixth day [Friday] is called parasceve, that is to say, the preparation of the kingdom. . . . On this day also, on account of the passion of the Lord Jesus Christ, we make either a station to God or a fast. On the seventh day he rested from all his works, and blessed it, and sanctified it. On the former day we are accustomed to fast rigorously, that on the Lord’s day we may go forth to our bread with giving of thanks. And let the parasceve become a rigorous fast, lest we should appear to observe any Sabbath with the Jews . . . which Sabbath he [Christ] in his body abolished” (The Creation of the World [A.D. 300]).
Eusebius of Caesarea “They [the early saints of the Old Testament] did not care about circumcision of the body, neither do we [Christians]. They did not care about observing Sabbaths, nor do we. They did not avoid certain kinds of food, neither did they regard the other distinctions which Moses first delivered to their posterity to be observed as symbols; nor do Christians of the present day do such things” (Church History 1:4:8 [A.D. 312]).
“[T]he day of his [Christ’s] light . . . was the day of his resurrection from the dead, which they say, as being the one and only truly holy day and the Lord’s day, is better than any number of days as we ordinarily understand them, and better than the days set apart by the Mosaic law for feasts, new moons, and Sabbaths, which the apostle [Paul] teaches are the shadow of days and not days in reality” (Proof of the Gospel 4:16:186 [A.D. 319]).
Athanasius “The Sabbath was the end of the first creation, the Lord’s day was the beginning of the second, in which he renewed and restored the old in the same way as he prescribed that they should formerly observe the Sabbath as a memorial of the end of the first things, so we honor the Lord’s day as being the memorial of the new creation” (On Sabbath and Circumcision 3 [A.D. 345]).
Cyril of Jerusalem “Fall not away either into the sect of the Samaritans or into Judaism, for Jesus Christ has henceforth ransomed you. Stand aloof from all observance of Sabbaths and from calling any indifferent meats common or unclean” (Catechetical Lectures 4:37 [A.D. 350]).
Council of Laodicea “Christians should not Judaize and should not be idle on the Sabbath, but should work on that day; they should, however, particularly reverence the Lord’s day and, if possible, not work on it, because they were Christians” (Canon 29 [A.D. 360]).
John Chrysostom “[W]hen he [God] said, ‘You shall not kill’ . . . he did not add, ‘because murder is a wicked thing.’ The reason was that conscience had taught this beforehand, and he speaks thus, as to those who know and understand the point. Wherefore when he speaks to us of another commandment, not known to us by the dictate of conscience, he not only prohibits, but adds the reason. When, for instance, he gave commandment concerning the Sabbath— ‘On the seventh day you shall do no work’—he subjoined also the reason for this cessation. What was this? ‘Because on the seventh day God rested from all his works which he had begun to make’ [Ex. 20:10-11]. . . . For what purpose then, I ask, did he add a reason respecting the Sabbath, but did no such thing in regard to murder? Because this commandment was not one of the leading ones. It was not one of those which were accurately defined of our conscience, but a kind of partial and temporary one, and for this reason it was abolished afterward. But those which are necessary and uphold our life are the following: ‘You shall not kill. . . . You shall not commit adultery. . . . You shall not steal.’ On this account he adds no reason in this case, nor enters into any instruction on the matter, but is content with the bare prohibition” (Homilies on the Statutes 12:9 [A.D. 387]).
“You have put on Christ, you have become a member of the Lord and been enrolled in the heavenly city, and you still grovel in the law [of Moses]? How is it possible for you to obtain the kingdom? Listen to Paul’s words, that the observance of the law overthrows the gospel, and learn, if you will, how this comes to pass, and tremble, and shun this pitfall. Why do you keep the Sabbath and fast with the Jews?” (Homilies on Galatians 2:17 [A.D. 395]).
“The rite of circumcision was venerable in the Jews’ account, forasmuch as the law itself gave way thereto, and the Sabbath was less esteemed than circumcision. For that circumcision might be performed, the Sabbath was broken; but that the Sabbath might be kept, circumcision was never broken; and mark, I pray, the dispensation of God. This is found to be even more solemn than the Sabbath, as not being omitted at certain times. When then it is done away, much more is the Sabbath” (Homilies on Philippians 10 [A.D. 402]).
The Apostolic Constitutions “And on the day of our Lord’s resurrection, which is the Lord’s day, meet more diligently, sending praise to God that made the universe by Jesus, and sent him to us, and condescended to let him suffer, and raised him from the dead. Otherwise what apology will he make to God who does not assemble on that day . . . in which is performed the reading of the prophets, the preaching of the gospel, the oblation of the sacrifice, the gift of the holy food” (Apostolic Constitutions 2:7:60 [A.D. 400]).
Augustine “Well, now, I should like to be told what there is in these ten commandments, except the observance of the Sabbath, which ought not to be kept by a Christian” (The Spirit and the Letter 24 [A.D. 412]).
Pope Gregory I “It has come to my ears that certain men of perverse spirit have sown among you some things that are wrong and opposed to the holy faith, so as to forbid any work being done on the Sabbath day. What else can I call these [men] but preachers of Antichrist, who when he comes will cause the Sabbath day as well as the Lord’s day to be kept free from all work. For because he [the Antichrist] pretends to die and rise again, he wishes the Lord’s day to be held in reverence; and because he compels the people to Judaize that he may bring back the outward rite of the law, and subject the perfidy of the Jews to himself, he wishes the Sabbath to be observed. For this which is said by the prophet, ‘You shall bring in no burden through your gates on the Sabbath day’ [Jer. 17:24] could be held to as long as it was lawful for the law to be observed according to the letter. But after that the grace of almighty God, our Lord Jesus Christ, has appeared, the commandments of the law which were spoken figuratively cannot be kept according to the letter. For if anyone says that this about the Sabbath is to be kept, he must needs say that carnal sacrifices are to be offered. He must say too that the commandment about the circumcision of the body is still to be retained. But let him hear the apostle Paul saying in opposition to him: ‘If you be circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing’ [Gal. 5:2]” (Letters 13:1 [A.D. 597]).
I can see you are back on your broken-record hobby horse,in promotion of your cult, like as certain RCs are driven by devotion to their source of security, but the fact is that we who observe the first day of the week, which is the only specific day Christians as a NT church are recorded as meeting, are following a practice that began before Catholicism could decree that was the right day. Which the latter no more invalidates it as being correct any more than affirming the deity of Christ does.
Unlike distinctive Catholic teachings which are not manifest in the only wholly God-inspired, substantive, authoritative record of what the NT church believed (which is Scripture, in particular Acts through Revelation, which best shows how the NT church understood the gospels)
Meanwhile, by requiring observance of the 4th commandment then it is does what the NT church never did, while the SDA's are inconsistent in keeping this as well as certain other everlasting, forever, perpetual type commands typological commands.
The fourth commandment of God’s unchangeable law requires the observance of this seventh-day Sabbath as the day of rest, worship, and ministry in harmony with the teaching and practice of Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath. - https://www.adventist.org/beliefs/
The Lord of the Sabbath taught more than just the gospels, before the institution of the new covenant.
Seventh day Sabbath keeping and everlasting, forever, perpetual type commands
Under the O.C., the glory of God was veiled from those who sought justification by the Law, while under the New, the veil is taken away (2Cor.3:14- 4:7).
Some contend that we ought to keep the seventh day Sabbath, as it is an everlasting covenant, yet as the table below shows it is not alone in that category. Neither does it's sanctification prior to the codification of the 10 commandments establish it as an ordinance to be obeyed (as under the Old Covenant) under the New Covenant, as it, like circumcision (likewise an everlasting covenant), is also part of the ceremonial prefigurements that the Lord Jesus would and has, fulfilled. As God rested from the work of creation the 7th day, the Lord Jesus rested from His work of atonement on the first day. The Lord then met the disciples on the first day of the week, and sent the Gift of the Holy Ghost on that day. (Jn. 20:1,19; Acts 2:1ff) Further evidence that the 1st day of the week became the primary day of Christian assembly is that the 1st day is the only day specifically mentioned as a meeting day for a community of New Testament believers. (Acts 20:7; 1Cor.16:2) Meanwhile, 9 of the 10 commandments are reiterated in the New Testament, but the 4th commandment is conspicuously absent, and now where is there amy command ever given under the New Covenant to the church to keep the 7th day Sabbath. Nor is there any mention of an established church specifically meeting on the 7th day, unlike on the 1st.
Those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation enter into the antitype of the Old Testament Sabbath, the spiritual rest of Christ in His spiritual kingdom, (Heb.4; Col.1:13,14) as they walk by faith and not by sight. “For we which have believed do enter into rest,...” “For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His.” (Heb. 4:3a, 10) That chapter shows that even under the Old covenant there remained a type of rest to be obtained that went beyond physically keeping the Sabbath, which soul-rest (Mt. 11:28) is found by faith and surrender to the Lord Jesus. And yet this rest is to to be fully realized by them which continue in faith: “Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.” (Rv. 14:13b)
True believers are to be led by God's Holy Spirit in accordance with the Bible and in obedience to the covenant He has enjoined us to be under. The New Covenant was distinctly declared by God to be “Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD” (Jer. 31:32), and part of that distinction is not only the lack precisely prescribed ritualistic worship (as in static liturgies) but the replacement of annually observed “days, and months, and times, and years” (Gal. 4:10) such as the Galatians were chastised for observing, as such is consistent with legalism [this does not mean that some manner of ritual or liturgy is evil, as structure is necessary, (1Cor. 14:26-33) but structure is to facilitate the moving of the Holy Spirit, and not hinder Him, and the tendency is for ritual to become mechanical, fossilized and lifeless.]. And as said before, the only precedent we have for a weekly observance is that of the 1st day of the week.
We need no more keep the 7th day Sabbath than the other ordinances which foreshadowed the coming and work of Christ. “Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.” (Heb. 9:10) “And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.” (Col. 2:13-17) We may be in great anticipation when we see the shadow of someone we yearn to see, but once the reality comes we look at the body which made the shadow. Praise ye the Lord.
Christ having come in the flesh, He has fulfilled Old Testament figures. and presently “we walk by faith and no by sight” (2Cor. 5:7), as seeing Him who is invisible.” (Heb. 11:27) It may be possible however, that when the Lord Jesus establishes His physical kingdom – and our faith becomes sight – then the O.T.. ceremonies will once again find their place in a dispensation in which the restored Jewish nation will be proved, in a physical kingdom in which sacrifices would be possible, perhaps in a memorial sense (Ezk.37, 40:48)
See more on this issue here.
EVERLASTING, FOREVER, PERPETUAL COMMANDS | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Below is a list of everlasting, forever, perpetual (synonymous terms) covenants (binding agreements) or perpetual, forever type statutes and ordinances (laws). Note: While it is possible that “for ever” (#5769; also often translated as “everlasting” or “perpetual”) can mean less than eternal (Dt. 15:17) , that is rarely the case, but as in “Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:”or “The righteousness of Thy testimonies is everlasting: give me understanding, and I shall live” (Ps. 119:144 – a good prayer), it usually denotes eternity! | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
1 | Gn. 9:16; Rainbow in clouds a sign of everlasting covenant | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
2 | Gn. 17:2-13; Circumcision an everlasting covenant. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
3 | .Ex.31:14-17; 7th day Sabbath a sign for a perpetual covenant throughout all Israel's generations. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
4 | Lv.24:5-8; Offering of shewbread-everlasting covenant-perpetual statute. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
5 | Num.18:19; Heave offering: a statute forever-covenant of salt forever. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
6 | .Num.25:12,13; Righteous Phineas given a covenant of peace..a covenant of everlasting priesthood. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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8 | Ex.12:17; Feast of unleavened bread an ordinance forever. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
9 | Ex.27:20,21; Lv.24:3; light burning in Tabernacle: a statute forever. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
10 | Ex. 28:43; Nakedness of priests to be covered by a statute forever. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
11 | Ex.29:9; 40:15; Holy garments for the Aaronic Priesthood for a perpetual statute. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
12 | Ex.29:28; Lv.10:15; Num.18:8,11,18; Heave offering eaten by a statute forever | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
13 | Ex.29:42; Animal sacrifices to be offered continually throughout all Israel's generations | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
14 | Ex.30:8; Incense to be burned in Tab. perpetually throughout all generations. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
15 | Ex.30:10: Atonement on altar throughout all your generations. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
16 | Ex.30:21: Ceremonial washing by a statute forever. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
17 | Ex.30:31: Anointing with Holy Oil unto YHWH for sons of Aaron throughout all their generations. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
18 | Lv.3:17: Eating of fat + blood prohibited a perpetual statute. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
19 | Lv.6:13: Fire ever to be burning on the altar, to never go out. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
20 | Lv.6:18-20: Law of the meat offering: a statute forever. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
21 | Lv.6:22: Meat offering of priests: a statute forever. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
22 | Lv,7:34-36: Peace offerings a statute forever. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
23 | Lv.10:9: Drinking of wine, strong drink forbidden to priests going into Tab.: statute forever. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
24 | Lv.16:29-34: Day of atonement a everlasting statute, a statute forever. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
25 | Lv.17:7: Bringing in of sacrifices into Tab., not worshipping devils, a statute forever. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
26 | Lv23:14: Offering of first fruits unto YHWH a statute forever. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
27 | Lv.23:21: Feast of Pentecost: a statute forever. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
28 | Lv.23:41: Feast of Tabernacles: a statute forever. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
29 | Lv.25:34: Law of land reserved for Levites: a perpetual possession. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
30 | Num.10:8: Feast of Trumpets: an ordinance forever. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
31 | Num.10:15: One law for both Israelites and for the stranger in the land: an ordinance 4ever. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
32 | Num.18:23; Dt.18:5: Service of the Tab. reserved for Levites by a statute forever. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
33 | Num19:10: Law of washing garments after slaying red heifer: a statute forever. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
34 | Num.19:21:Water of separation a perpetual statute. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
35 | Dt.7:9 YHWH keeps covenant+mercy with them that love Him and keep His commandments, as revealed in His rightly divided Word. See below for abundant historical support which shows that from early on, and before the “church of Rome” had power to change the day from the 1st day of the week to the 7th, which change she is erroneously credited with doing, though Rome does incorporate elements of Judaism as well as unBiblical practices. These quotes are only for historical purposes, and any doctrinal views must be subject to examination by the Bible.
Source of historical quotes (abridged): http://www.bible.ca/H-sunday.htm: Note that references to outside links does not infer sanction of all that a site may offer, and this one erroneously holds that baptism is necessary for salvation, and that “sign gifts” have ceased. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
In Matthew 18:18 Jesus seems to give Peter and subsequent Church leadership the authority to make changes to the Old Law (Testament)
We have to trust the Holy Spirit - no matter how things appear at times - to keep the Church operating within the Lord God Almighty’s Perfect Will.
Ezekiel 46:1
Thus says the Lord GOD: “The gateway of the inner court that faces toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the Sabbath it shall be opened, and on the day of the New Moon it shall be opened.
Day 1 of month: New Moon Day, In the Beginning- gate open
Day 2 of month: 1st Day, Let there be Light- gate shut
Day 3 of month: 2nd Day, Firmament/sky- gate shut
Day 4 of month: 3rd Day, sea/land, vegetation- gate shut
Day 5 of month: 4th Day, sun/moon/stars- gate shut
Day 6 of month: 5th Day, flying birds/sea animals-gate shut
Day 7 of month: 6th Day, remaining animals/man- gate shut
Day 8 of month: 7th Day Sabbath - gate open
According to scripture, there is no ‘Sunday’..
The Sun,moon and stars were all created on the 4th Day of His week (see Day 5 of biblical pattern above)
When His Kingdom cones, there will be no more Saturday or Sunday..
No Friday, or Monday, or Tuesday,or Wednesday, or Thursday,either..
Just New Moon Day, 6 work days, and the 7th Day Sabbath.
Hardest hit?
Modern Islam,Judaism and Christianity..
Oh LOOKIE everyone!
ANOTHER SDA cult brainwashing thread.
ANOTHER WATCHTOWER styled literature placement in attempt to earn favor and salvation points with God. WORKS alone, puffed up in pride.
How predictable!
...no salvation credits earned for this thread either.
FAIL...again.
At the Bema seat, these threads will burn up like wood, hay and stubble, leaving nothing. Dross!
Proverbs 6:16-19
“Six things the LORD hates, yes, seven that are detestable to Him...
...one who sows discord amongst the brethren.”
That’s you and your ilk.
One day you will own this truth in real time before the throne.
As an aside, it seems to me the LOGICAL start of a 'day' would be at dawn; but what do I know?