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To: BipolarBob; vespa300

“I still have a headache from the last Sabbath/Sunday posts.”

vespa300 isn’t even done debating me on that thread. It’s at 719 posts and still going:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/4160858/posts

As the scripture you posted says, the Sabbath physical rest was given to the children of Israel as a sign. It’s exactly like the sign of circumcision:

Genesis 17:10-11 NKJV
This is My covenant which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: Every male child among you shall be circumcised; and you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between Me and you.

In the New Testament, Jewish followers of Christ continued physically resting on the Sabbaths as they always had done. They circumcised their male children. They abstained from eating unclean animals. They observed feast days and participated in temple worship and even temple sacrifices. Gentile believers were never commanded or even encouraged to do any of these things. Gentile believers weren’t even allowed to come beyond the courtyard of the temple.


9 posted on 06/20/2023 4:18:49 PM PDT by unlearner (RIP America. July 4, 1776 - December 13, 2022 . )
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To: unlearner

Sure okay. God has divided Heaven into multiple denomination sections with different rules for each one. And disregard that ark over there that has the Ten Commandments in it. Neither touch it or mention it. Now is that how you envision it?


20 posted on 06/20/2023 5:10:11 PM PDT by BipolarBob (I was going to start procrastinating this year, I just haven't got around to it.)
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To: unlearner
They observed feast days and participated in temple worship and even temple sacrifices. Gentile believers were never commanded or even encouraged to do any of these things. Gentile believers weren’t even allowed to come beyond the courtyard of the temple.

you are mixing up gentile converts to Judaism pre-Pentecost and gentile converts to the Jesus-movement sect of Judaism post Pentecost.

post pentecost, the Jesus-movement Christians very clearly moved away from temple sacrifices. They met in the synagogues etc. on Saturday (but yes not in the temple), and then worshiped the Lord on the Lord's Day - Domenica

This continued until 70 AD

70 AD was the fulfilment of Daniel's visions - with Jesus as the unhewn rock that becomes the mountain (Christianity) that covers the world

After the destruction of the temple, the Jewish religion went into crisis - only 2 2nd-temple Jewish sects survived

  1. The Jesus movement Jews who said that Jesus was the new Temple
  2. the Pharisees who had propagated more the concept of todah and for rabbis not priests

With the destruction of the temple, the Jesus-movement was triumphant - their God had prophesied what would happen and it happened

this led to massive amounts of converts to this sect of 2nd temple Judaism.

Rabbi Yohannan Ben Zakkai reformulated the pharisee sect into Rabbinical Judaism - what we simply call "Jews" today

149 posted on 06/22/2023 7:23:59 AM PDT by Cronos
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