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Pope presents King Charles with shards of Christ's cross for Coronation
The Telegraph ^ | April 19, 2023 | Victoria Ward

Posted on 04/19/2023 9:23:40 AM PDT by ebb tide

Pope presents King Charles with shards of Christ's cross for Coronation

Fragments from the True Cross will be incorporated into a new procession cross which will lead the procession into Westminster Abbey in May

The Pope has given the King two fragments from the True Cross - said to have been used in the crucifixion of Jesus Christ - to mark his Coronation.

The relic, described as a “personal gift” from Pope Francis to His Majesty, was formally presented to the Royal Household by Vatican representatives at the Chapel Royal at St James’s Palace last week.

In what was hailed a “significant ecumenical gesture”, the King requested that the shards be incorporated into a new processional cross that he commissioned for the Church in Wales to celebrate its centenary before becoming monarch.

Both fragments are shaped as crosses, one measuring 1cm and the other 5mm. They have now been set into the larger silver cross behind a rose crystal gemstone.

On the day of his Coronation, the cross will be used to lead the procession into Westminster Abbey, a decision said to reflect the King’s “deep and long standing affection for Wales”.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: antipope; apostatepope; charlesiii; frankenchurch; houseofwindsor; kingcharles; traitor; unitedkingdom
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To: No name given
"I’m wondering if they are pieces of the actual Cross which Jesus Christ was crucified on, and if so, I’m amazed they were able to preserve them."

I suspect there is a chain of custody issue with the shards' provenance, so you either have to believe they are genuine or not.

21 posted on 04/19/2023 9:52:45 AM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: Bulwyf

History matters.

The nativity was a real, historical event. Jesus was born a boy, not a girl. He was born in a real place, at a real time. It’s not a fable.

Jesus’ ministry was a real, historical series of events. He did them in a real time, at real places. It’s not a fable.

Jesus’ crucifixion was a real, historical, event. It happened at a real place, at a real time; real people committed it, real people witnessed it. It’s not a fable.

Jesus’ resurrection was a real, historical event. It happened at a real place, at a real time. Real people witnessed His appearances after His resurrection. It’s not a fable.

Archaeology and the preservation of relics remind us, who are very distant from these real historical events, that they are in fact real and historical.

Some people say they “have faith” and “don’t need archaeology, history, and relics”. To them, I say “bully for you”. Maybe I don’t need them either. I still appreciate the archaeology, history, and relics.


22 posted on 04/19/2023 9:53:51 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: mewzilla
Matthew 7:6 springs to mind.

👍

23 posted on 04/19/2023 9:55:35 AM PDT by ebb tide (The pope ... said the church’s “catechesis on sex is still in diapers.”)
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To: Boogieman

I assume that Jesus did what He did, and did not do what He did not do, for very good reasons.

If He chose to leave His cross behind, for example, I assume that He did so for very good reasons.

But feel free to be sarcastic. I’m sure He understands.


24 posted on 04/19/2023 9:56:03 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: srmanuel

Kings statement is: He is keeper of the faiths. . .used to say Keeper of the faith.

Charles made this change to accommodate muslims. Rejected.


25 posted on 04/19/2023 9:57:37 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: NorthMountain

All of that is real, but none of this crap the RC church does is for the glory of God and we are to seek him. CS Lewis went to disprove Christianity and traveled to the middle East. In the process he became a Christian, not through artifacts, but through seeking.


26 posted on 04/19/2023 10:09:47 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf
none of this crap the RC church does is for the glory of God

And this conversation is ended.

God bless you, sir.

27 posted on 04/19/2023 10:12:36 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Bulwyf

And that’s why we should never share the treasures of the Church with Protestants.
They’ll never appreciate it, nor understand.


28 posted on 04/19/2023 10:15:45 AM PDT by Texas_Guy
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To: Vaquero

And rightly so. The upright portion of the cross would likely have remained in place and the crosspiece used over again. The logistics that would have someone taking and hiding the whole thing, then Helena having found it intact despite being buried for almost three centuries, is very dubious indeed. Or it could well have been that local Christians buried a cross for her to find, thus getting in the good graces of the emperor’s mother, which is never a bad place to be

I think the evidence for the authenticity of the Shroud of Turin and the Sudarium of Orvieto is powerful, and boosted, if they are (and they are) first century textiles, because possession of cloth stained by the blood of the dead was ritually unclean, and keeping those would not have been done unless there was a very good reason for doing so. Not to belabor the obvious, but a few yards of cloth are a lot easier to keep and hide than a huge cross


29 posted on 04/19/2023 10:17:10 AM PDT by j.havenfarm (22 years on Free Republic, 12/10/22! more then 6500 replies and still not shutting up!)
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To: srmanuel

correct, the reigning monarch is the head of the Church of England. I have serious doubts that chuck even believes in God and it was 1 of the reasons I converted from C of E to Catholicism


30 posted on 04/19/2023 10:19:46 AM PDT by Jeff Vader ( )
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To: Texas_Guy

I’m a believer in Christ. I don’t need your trinkets and idols, thanks though.


31 posted on 04/19/2023 10:40:43 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: ebb tide
Just the right gift idea - religious artifacts!

I would have gone for the tortillas emblazoned with Jesus' face, though.

32 posted on 04/19/2023 10:40:55 AM PDT by ZOOKER (Until further notice the /s is implied...)
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To: NorthMountain

God bless you too.

I pray all true Christians see the Vatican for what it really is. Read revelations some more.


33 posted on 04/19/2023 10:41:36 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: srmanuel

Yes and the Church of England was founded by Henry VIII and as the head of that new Church divorced his wife, Queen Catherine. Of course during his marriage to her he committed adultery numerous times with various women but got on especially well with Anne who wanted to be the new Queen Anne. She got her way.

After that the so called pious Henry had Queen Anne beheaded and married another. She didn’t please him anymore.

Charles as the head of the same church had an affair with Camilla while married to Diana. I get Camilla was around first but well then that is fornication.

Things haven’t changed so much but the scripture says “If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, regard him as you would a pagan or a tax collector” ~ Matthew 18:17

So Henry VIII was excommunicated. It’s not a great resume but he still got the job as head of the Church of England.

I’ve often wondered how the members of the Church of England reckon with this history. Personally I can’t see how God can put His blessings on that Church.


34 posted on 04/19/2023 10:48:09 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: ebb tide

Oh, brother. [smh]


35 posted on 04/19/2023 10:49:26 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: ebb tide

Noah could have built his ark from all the (reputed) shards of the “true cross” scattered about.


36 posted on 04/19/2023 10:56:35 AM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: mewzilla

Actually 2 Kings 18:3-4 comes to mind for me.


37 posted on 04/19/2023 11:09:33 AM PDT by Skwor
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To: ebb tide

Trinkets from the Holy Land. Kids have been selling them on every street corner for the past two thousand years. I guess the Pope bought one of them.


38 posted on 04/19/2023 11:47:21 AM PDT by dirtymac ( Now Is The Time For All Good Men To ComeTo The Aid Of Their Country! NOW) )
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To: ebb tide
Great gift for a man who couldn't he keep the marriage vows he swore to God he would that day. Does he deserve to be the head of the Church of England?

I love Neil Oliver's recent take on it:

SHOULD CHARLES BE KING?

39 posted on 04/19/2023 12:00:14 PM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne )
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To: NorthMountain

I would’ve given him an iPod containing a recording of me reading Spare by Prince Harry


40 posted on 04/19/2023 12:15:37 PM PDT by JZelle
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