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To: Philsworld
Do you think it is possible that one can receive Revelation from the Word of God? That by studying the Living Word, and allowing the Holy Spirit to guide and help you understand, that the Word can reveal the Truth to your spirit?

I say that only as a preface to my own experience. I knew nothing of Rome's attempts to confuse. I did not know McDonald, Scofield, Darby - or read anything they had written about the End Times. I simply studied the Word for myself, knowing that what was being taught from the pulpit and the lectures in college made absolutely no sense. The Body of Christ has NO place in the time of JACOB's Trouble!

Theologians who are purposely attempting to deceive are not folks I would look to for Biblical Truth. But perhaps God used them in some way - although I doubt it.

If you rightly divide the Word, identify the three groups on Earth now, and the current dispensation, everything starts to fall in place. And if you have taken the time to discover who you are in Christ, and where you are in the Body (Romans through Colossians) THEN you are ready for the Truth found in Thessalonians. If you are a spiritual babe, running around in your diapers with a religious sippy cup drinking milk, you are NOT ready for the meat.

Once you receive God's Revelation of Jesus coming for his Body, you can't unsee it. Its in your heart to stay.

If you want to read more, here are two blogs, where I provide my Biblical understanding for the Rapture. I promise, it did not come from Rome, Jesuits, or anyone else. It was right where the Holy Spirit placed it in the Word through Paul. Anyone with ears to hear and eyes to see will discover the Truth there.

Its The End Of The World As We Know It

I Would Not Have You To Be Ignorant, Brethren
102 posted on 04/20/2023 9:38:31 PM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: Kandy Atz

——Do you think it is possible that one can receive Revelation from the Word of God? That by studying the Living Word, and allowing the Holy Spirit to guide and help you understand, that the Word can reveal the Truth to your spirit?

Sure. (I read your post and links)

A couple of questions for you:

Over the past 1500 years, why didn’t the Catholic Church or Protestant Reformers teach the PTR, if it’s such a clear biblical message as you claim it is?

Why did theologian Samuel Prideaux Tregelles write the following about the vision of Margaret Macdonald (which he personally witnessed in Edward Irving’s church) on the PTR, and then the PTR theory in general, if it was such a clear biblical message, as you claim?

“I am not aware that there was any definite teaching that there would be a SECRET RAPTURE of the Church at a secret coming, until this was given forth as an utterance in Mr. Irving’s Church, from what was there received as being the voice of the Spirit. But whether any one ever asserted such a thing or not, it was from that supposed revelation that the modern doctrine and the modern phraseology respecting it arose. It came not from Holy Scripture, but from that which falsely pretended to be the Spirit of God, while not owning the true doctrine of our Lord’s incarnation in the same flesh and blood as His brethren, but without taint of sin. p. 26.”

“But there is a very different theory of the coming of the Lord as the hope of His Church, which many teach, and which many more receive, as though it were unquestioned truth.”

“It is said that there shall be a SECRET coming of the Lord Jesus Christ; that at this SECRET coming His believing people who are in their graves shall be raised, and the living changed, and that a secret rapture of the Church shall then take place; that this SECRET coming and SECRET rapture are our hope, and not the manifested appearing of Christ in the clouds of heaven.”

“It is said that after this SECRET removal of the Church, the full manifestation of human evil, for some years at least, will take place, during which time shall be the display of the power of Antichrist,—the persecutions foretold in the Revelation, the extreme trials of Israel, the unequaled tribulation,—and that the end of this will be the manifestation of Christ visibly coming with His Church in the cloud of glory.”

“This is the doctrine of the SECRET coming of Christ, which many now preach as if it were the acknowledged truth of God, instead of its being (as is really the case) that which at every point would require proof from Scripture.”

“But not only is this doctrine of the coming of Christ not taught in the Word of God, but if, in what has been previously said, there is any point of truth, then this whole system stands in distinct contradiction of what the Scripture reveals.”

The Hope of Christ’s Second Coming: How is it Taught in Scripture? And Why? S. P. Tregelles. March 17, 1864.

****Tregelles was an EYEWITNESS to the event, when Margaret MacDonald made those utterances, and first time EVER hearing about the PTR theory.


106 posted on 04/22/2023 5:30:39 AM PDT by Philsworld (Saints are saints and angels are angels, except when they're called saints. )
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To: Kandy Atz

The Word of God is Jesus.

Why do you talk of “rightly dividing the Word” - that is just wrong and leads to all errors.

The Bible is a story of God saving humanity - from Genesis to Revelation. This is one narrative through different authors. There is no dispensaationalist “divisions” except made-up


116 posted on 04/27/2023 9:32:09 AM PDT by Cronos
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