That's you on the right, and me on the other end. Don't know who is the interloper, but I think she's from Garrett County!
Posted on 03/16/2023 5:51:01 PM PDT by marshmallow
The pope's latest scandalous comments contradict the teachings of the Church Fathers on the existence of Hell.
VATICAN CITY (LifeSiteNews) — In an interview to mark his 10-year anniversary, Pope Francis appeared to deny the existence of Hell, saying that “is not a place” but is instead simply “a state of the heart” and “a posture towards life.”
The pontiff’s comments formed part of a lengthy conversation conducted by Argentinian news site Perfil, one of a number of recent interviews the Pope granted journalists to mark his decade upon the papal throne. Touching on a number of topics he discussed with other reporters, Francis also spoke about his philosophical and theological thought, along with aspects relating to global politics.
As part of the in-depth discussion, Francis was asked, “What is your own interpretation of Hell and paradise, and what happens to people who go to Hell, and what happens to those who go to paradise?”
Giving a trademark lengthy, convoluted, and somewhat evasive answer, Francis appeared to deny the existence of Hell as an actual place. “Hell is not a place,” he said. “If one goes to attend the Last Judgment, and sees the faces of those who go to Hell, one gets scared. If you read Dante, you get scared. But these are media representations.”
Expanding on his answer, Francis described Hell simply as “a state” — a description which appeared to refer to a state of mind. “Hell is a state, there are people who live in Hell continuously.”
He clarified that he was not referring to suffering generally, but to “those who make a world of bad or sick self-referentiality, and end up living in Hell.”
Hell is a state, it is a state of the heart, of the soul, of a posture towards life.......
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How very Catholic, to get the most fundmental wrong. What did JESUS say is necessary? You’ve seen it lots of times as you skip it in John chapter six.
That's you on the right, and me on the other end. Don't know who is the interloper, but I think she's from Garrett County!
I have no idea what you mean. What is a "magicstearingthem"? And what do drug mules (?) have to do with Francis?
Please explain how it is wrong, as you'd apparently rather refight the Reformation than have a respectful conversation about Jesus.
LOL! I love it!
>>This is not a moral equivalence situation<<
Disagree
That’s funny! A keeper.
Forget about books or doctrines...show me the scriptures! Be Berean and prove your point by the Bible! Yes there can be some interpretive differences but show me your points proven by scripture. I can take the scriptures and a Strong’s Greek and Hebrew concordance and flesh out if your points be true!
I find Armstrongism false by scriptural analysis.
You don’t want a respectful conversation about Jesus, you want the Catholic dogma to be truth and it is definitely not. The Bible is totally clear regarding how one gets born again, and it is not something you work for it is by faith in Who did the work. Your religion is not Christianity it is catholicism. I do not respect you enough to go further in this exchange.
Darling, I am not Catholic and never have been. I read and study the Bible and commune with others who do the same. Your harumphing is just laziness. Either explain your theological objections to what I posted based on scripture, not on your biases about the world’s religions, or else desist from the haughty accusation posts.
If you deny that Jesus paid for 100% of your sin,
then you are not a part of His Church,
You are instead a child of wrath,
doomed to destruction.
Salvation is by faith alone inn Christ alone, not any of works.
I apologize; I did not realize you are so unfaqmiliar with the Bible and what Jesus said.
My position is not Armstrong.
I have not made a 6,000 page document to support my beliefs, so I can’t send you anything other than what other scholars have written. However, I’m fairly confident that Bible teaches that man exists only when the Breath of Life and the human body combine to give life. We cease to exist, other than in God’s memory, when we die and wait for the resurrection of man when Michael, the Arch-angel gives His shout to raise the dead.
When God knitted you together He gave you a body, a soul, and a spirit. The body has temporal limits. The soul does not, the spirit does not.
Jerry was a Hindu or something, but he does give us something to ponder (as does Dostoevsky, who the embedded quote is from).
The soul is the combining of Breath of Life and the body. When the two combined, man became a living soul.
So what do you do with 1 Thess 4:13-17?
Armstrong and his old World Wide Church of God posited the same stuff you did about sinners and the afterlife and a lot of other things he couldn’t support in scripture. Armstronmg argued from an emotional point...that it would be cruel for a loving God to keep sinners alive for eternity to experience the Lake of Fire forever in contradiction to what the Bible says about the eventual reality of sinners’ everlasting torment there.
You’ve been quoted other scriptures from myself and others that do support the opposite views.
The great danger of the teachings of your view is that sinners exposed to it will simply conclude that “why be saved(?) since they will be forever “blanked out of existence” anyway. These folks may decide that they can just wax worse and worse in their sins since their consciousness will be blanked out. Even the great white throne judgment where all the remaining dead (plus those still on Earth alive after the 1000 years of Satan’s imprisonment) will be resurrected, won’t move such sinners since they will be eventually blanked out with no eternal consciousness.
The prospect of eternal consciousness of one’s separation from God after placement in the Lake of Fire is the only scripturally supported and orthodox position of what happens to those who heard the truth of Christ and rejected it. The warnings are stark for a reason. All who have been formed by God in the womb have an eternal presence. Where our presence ultimately resides depends on our response to Christ.
Proverbs 12:6Remember Him before the silver cord is snapped and the golden bowl is crushed, before the pitcher is shattered at the spring and the wheel is broken at the well, 7before the dust returns to the ground from which it came and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
1 Thess 4:13-17
13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.
Sleep is an euphemism for death. Christ clarified that when He used it and the disciples took it literally. It’s a temporary state of man when he will be resurrected for eternity or judgement.
John 11:11-14
11These things He said, and after that He said to them, “Our friend Lazarus sleeps, but I go that I may wake him up.” 12Then His disciples said, “Lord, if he sleeps he will get well.” 13However, Jesus spoke of his death, but they thought that He was speaking about taking rest in sleep. 14Then Jesus said to them plainly, “Lazarus is dead. 15And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, that you may believe. Nevertheless let us go to him.”
Lazurus wanted to know who woke him up. He did not ask who brought him down from Heaven or up from Hell. From Lazurus’s perspective, it seemed to him that he was sleeping. That’s how it will feel to us when we are resurrected, we will have the perception that we were asleep.
As terrible as the idea of not existing, while in a state of death, can be bothersome it is only temporary. The saved, at the coming of the Christ will be resurrected and they will live forever.
You’ll notice that, when Christ comes with His angels and with the shout of the Archangel, the dead in Christ are resurrected and the living are translated. It does not say that Christ will come with man and angels, just angels.
Yes, we will be resurrected for eternity. That I believe.
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