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Scripture in the Order of the Mass
St. John Vianney Church ^

Posted on 01/27/2023 2:45:15 AM PST by Cronos

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A book to refer to for more information about scripture in the mass


1 posted on 01/27/2023 2:45:15 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos

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2 posted on 01/27/2023 2:52:07 AM PST by JonPreston
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If they believe in God is the father, why do they call priests father when it explicitly says not to do that


3 posted on 01/27/2023 3:31:43 AM PST by roving ( Pronouns- libs/suk)
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Good question.

Jesus is not forbidding us to call men “fathers” who actually are such—either literally or spiritually. He is warning people against inaccurately attributing fatherhood—or a particular kind or degree of fatherhood—to those who do not have it.

This is seen in how Paul wrote “I do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel” (1 Cor. 4:14–15).


4 posted on 01/27/2023 3:39:39 AM PST by Cronos
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To: roving

Also note that God is The Father. Your own father is well, father.

As seen in the Bible the concept of fatherhood is not restricted to just our earthly fathers and God. It is used to refer to people other than biological or legal fathers, and is used as a sign of respect to those with whom we have a special relationship.

For example, Joseph tells his brothers of a special fatherly relationship God had given him with the king of Egypt: “So it was not you who sent me here, but God; and he has made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house and ruler over all the land of Egypt” (Gen. 45:8).

Job indicates he played a fatherly role with the less fortunate: “I was a father to the poor, and I searched out the cause of him whom I did not know” (Job 29:16). And God himself declares that he will give a fatherly role to Eliakim, the steward of the house of David: “In that day I will call my servant Eliakim, the son of Hilkiah . . . and I will clothe him with [a] robe, and will bind [a] girdle on him, and will commit . . . authority to his hand; and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the house of Judah” (Isa. 22:20–21).

This type of fatherhood applies not only to those who are wise counselors (like Joseph) or benefactors (like Job) or both (like Eliakim); it also applies to those who have a fatherly spiritual relationship with one. For example, Elisha cries, “My father, my father!” to Elijah as the latter is carried up to heaven in a whirlwind (2 Kgs. 2:12). Later, Elisha himself is called a father by the king of Israel (2 Kgs. 6:21).


5 posted on 01/27/2023 3:41:11 AM PST by Cronos
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To: roving

“If they believe in God is the father, why do they call priests father when it explicitly says not to do that”

Just curious, how do you refer to your father? As your “mother’s husband”? If you call him “father” aren’t you being a hypocrite then?

https://www.catholic.com/tract/call-no-man-father


6 posted on 01/27/2023 4:04:34 AM PST by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: roving

Look! (Matthew 6:26)

I can (2 Corinthians 8:3)

claim (1 Corinthians 9:12)

everything (Ephesians 5:20)

I say (Galatians 1:9)

is based (Romans 10:5)

on (John 19:37)

Scripture (Luke 22:37)

also (Hebrews 2:4)


7 posted on 01/27/2023 4:28:18 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith…)
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To: vladimir998; roving
The context in which Jesus made that statement is in addressing religious leaders by titles, not talking about children calling their fathers *Father*.

Matthew 23:8-10 But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ.

So Catholic's argument is that because a child refers to his dad as a father, that justifies disobeying Jesus?

It never ceases to amaze me the rationalizations Catholics use to justify disobeying this clear, concise unequivocal command of Jesus.

8 posted on 01/27/2023 4:35:17 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith…)
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This post of yours is too good, MM!


9 posted on 01/27/2023 4:50:08 AM PST by SouthernClaire (And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God ~ Job)
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To: Cronos

Under “Liturgy of the Eucharist” there is the following:
“(2 Macc. 14:36) Let your spirit come upon these gifts (water and wine) to make them holy, so that they may become the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Not having 2 Maccabees in my Bible, I looked up 2 Macc. 14:36 on the internet to see what it says. Here is what I found: “Now, holy one, Lord of all holiness, keep your newly purified house free from all defilement forever.”

My question is: Where does this verse (or any scripture for that matter) mention the bread and wine BECOMING the body and blood of our Lord?


10 posted on 01/27/2023 6:06:10 AM PST by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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Great to know that Romanism grinds up scripture so finely,
then sprinkles it over the pagan practices of their religion
to make them appear Biblical.

Good explanation!


11 posted on 01/27/2023 7:24:02 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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Thaks be to God, it is god to see you posting again!


12 posted on 01/27/2023 7:39:44 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy

Good catch! That lie was fabricated to empower the priesthood. In the religion of catholiciism ONLY the priests can cal Jesus down from the throne room to be continually savrificed on Catholiciism’s altars.


13 posted on 01/27/2023 7:45:57 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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Yes, thanks be to Him!

And thanks for praying!!


14 posted on 01/27/2023 7:46:52 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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See you in the clouds, brother. Sooner than folks can even imagine!


15 posted on 01/27/2023 8:08:50 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Cronos
Wow-
What an absolutely AWESOME post for all Mass going Catholics who might be unaware of the scriptural foundations of the liturgy they participate in.
Thankyou.

I'm gonna send this to the woman who oversees our Parish bulletin -
and see if she can find a way to add this content in on a weekly basis.
Never too late to learn !!


16 posted on 01/27/2023 8:27:45 AM PST by MurphsLaw ( "If you do boast, remember it is not you that support the root, but the root that supports you.")
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To: Cronos
Just a thought - on a personal preference note...
Did you like- or dislike - the change made to a more exact response of Matt 8:8 change to the Agnus Dei ?:

+++Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.”+++

At first I wasn't to sure about it... but now, it seems very natural.


17 posted on 01/27/2023 8:40:22 AM PST by MurphsLaw ( "If you do boast, remember it is not you that support the root, but the root that supports you.")
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To: MHGinTN

Sure looking likely these days.


18 posted on 01/27/2023 9:13:39 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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To: metmom

+ 1 Million


19 posted on 01/27/2023 3:19:05 PM PST by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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I know you’re not asking me, but... I love the change.


20 posted on 01/27/2023 3:57:13 PM PST by viewfromthefrontier
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