Posted on 11/24/2022 11:52:29 AM PST by ebb tide
This thinking is pretty much the lie peddled in the 1970s—before we had such advanced ultrasound, camera technology, etc.
Theologians..are they sort of like “experts”?
Yeah, whats a month or two out of 9 months.
Seems like if it might be either, they would have at least settled on the 4th month.
Just to be sure, ya know?
Bishop is an apostate and a sevant of satan.
How can any sane person refuse to allow surgery to remove an ectopic pregnancy. The fetus can not be saved and it can often kill the mother. Do people understand this is a pregancy not in the uterus where it belongs, but in the tube where it will rupture, or elsewhere in the belly.
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The principle of double effect is at work in removal of a fallopian tube which contains an ectopic pregnancy. The intent is to save Mom’s life. There is no intent to kill baby.
I disagree with the bishop based on science. No human female has ever given birth to a non human offspring. At some point the entity in a woman’s body becomes human, absent trauma, disease, dehydration, or malnutrition. We cannot scientifically know when that happens. But we who hold abortion wrong simply say that nature must take its course. It is those who favor abortion who are intervening. They are picking a time that they cannot know is the right time to intervene.
If Mama Bettazzi had aborted him at 4-5 months along, I would not be responding to this article because Bettazzi would never have been around to write it. It’s as Reagan said: all of those who support abortion got born.
That jumped out at One Guy too.
How does a journalist, so called, allow his interviewee to sail past the point at which he identified the source of the controversial position being cited/discussed?
At least we got the admission “whose name he was silent on”...might the journalist or editor have held off on publication of the piece until said silence ended?
No. Of course not. That would not have served Francis’ purposes.
Instead we get mamby-pambied, mealy mouthed, weasel worded, and jesuiticized to within an inch of our intellectual lives. Pieces like this kill healthy brain cells, for sure. Which is basically the whole idea—to numb the minds of potential critics.
Progressive politicians- the Constitution is a living thing, not changeless.
Progressive theologians - teachings of the Church are living things, not changeless.
I agree.
Heard a wimpy excuse from a Catholic commenter on his show a few months ago that Biden and Pelosi shouldn’t be restricted from Holy Communion in that they personally, physically, did not assist in an abortionist taking a baby and killing him or her themselves. More like our taxes going to a war we don’t like or something, indirectly.
But we know both actively worked to promote, fund with tax money, and protect abortionists. Legislation, executive orders and policy promotion along with the DOJ. Sounds direct enough to me.
Incredible.
Doing this makes the death of the fetus an unwanted side effect.
The problem is that a more modern treatment is to kill the fetus with methotrexate and let it be absorbed by the body. This would be direct killing.
As for the guy's argument....when Mary visited Elizabeth, she was only a few weeks pregnant, but Elizabeth and John in his mothers womb recognized she was carrying Jesus.
One might as well argue, from what these theologians are saying, that a child isn’t really human until they are self-sustaining - maybe 18-20 years old!
Sometimes the distance between ‘theologian’ and ‘heretic’ can be exceedingly small.
Obviously an unborn child is a human from the moment of conception, it is not non-human or un-human only to become human at some later point.
Some of these humans die, that is unavoidable. There are miscarriages, there are ectopic pregnancies, there are still births. My mother once told me that many pregnancies end in miscarriage that is never detected because it occurs so early in the pregnancy, but I don’t know if that is accurate. But no matter at what stage that death occurs the being who dies is human.
Abortion is the willful killing of a human being, no matter at what point that occurs. If this is done for a reason other than the life of the mother, to me it is a big fat sin, even if it’s legal.
We have all seen the moment when the sperm enters the ovum, the SPARK of Creation. Clearly that is the moment of creation for the one human on its journey to life.
Our preacher did a sermon on “When does life begin?”
He started off that when life begins isn’t the question. And science and biology tells us life begins at conception and he gave several science quotes to show that.
The real question is when does that life have a soul/spirit. He then showed numerous scripture verses that discuss how the spirit is there at conception. He said Christianity is the only religion that says that.
I had to look on my own and found various days for various religions. Varied from a few weeks to numerous weeks before the spirit “arrives”. I didn’t check every religion, but I’ll take his statement as fact.
And of course there are disagreements within those other religions (Muslim, Buddhist, etc.) on when exactly the life has a soul.
He is 99 so soon he will stand before God and get God’s opinion. I would not like to be standing next to him when God judges his actions.
Prayer that this brother sees the truth that he has been tricked by satan, and returns to the light before it is too late.
An abortion is the only medical procedure that is considered a success if only one human life is terminated, and a failure if two die.
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