Posted on 11/19/2022 4:37:14 PM PST by MurphsLaw
Make sure it is a stout chain - well secured to the doghouse.
Can I now assume it's ok to yank YOUR chain on purpose; just to see what kind of new adjectives you'll find to describe fellow FR members?
You've been doing that already, troll-boi.
Most of it gets ignored.
“Do you think that picture looks like a cockroach or an iguana?”
No, it is far worse than a harmless animal, it and abomination that is forbidden by GOD the Father, GOD the Son, and GOD the Holy Spirit!
That picture is no more our Lord Jesus Christ than I am. Let me make this clear, there are absolutely no pictures of our Lord Jesus except centuries after His resurrection. Why... glad you ask, because it is forbidden, and it breaks the second commandment and many others. This is the exact reason that GOD hid the body of Moses because heretics like Satan’s rome is always looking for something they can smell, taste, hold, and worship.
“you ought to realize that the nun who first started this, said Jesus appeared to her in person and ordered her to make the painting; and was quite specific in the appearance.”
2 Corinthians 11
14And no wonder: for Satan himself transformeth himself into an angel of light. 15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers be transformed as the ministers of justice, whose end shall be according to their works.
She believed what is contrary to the Holy Word of GOD, therefore she was fooled and you are too by a demon/Satan. No matter how believable you may think it is, if it is against the Word of GOD, it is NOT from GOD.
You are an absolute Looney Tune.
Stop posting to me.
“This entire post of yours has been dissimulation.”
But you still cannot answer my questions while obeying GOD’s Word, so keep deflecting, but in front of our Lord Jesus it will not work.
“and put no confidence in the flesh, of Mary...”
Amen!
“Don’t diss them goats!!”
I’m a shepherd, not a goat herder, so I have too.
YOU quoted the 1 Corinthians in post #504:
"2 Corinthians 11 14And no wonder: for Satan himself transformeth himself into an angel of light. 15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers be transformed as the ministers of justice, whose end shall be according to their works."
This doesn't apply to the Divine Mercy Chaplet. It was Jesus Himself being depicted, not an angel. Therefore your verse doesn't apply, since it doesn't say Satan transforms himself into Jesus, only into an angel.
And your post 485 quoted "so that you do not act corruptly and make a graven image for yourselves in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female," which is from Deuteronomy 4:16.
But you know, the sentences IMMEDIATELY BEFORE that, in the same paragraph, if they called them paragraphs back then, said:
"13He declared to you His covenant, which He commanded you to follow— the Ten Commandments that He wrote on two tablets of stone. 14At that time the LORD commanded me to teach you the statutes and ordinances you are to follow in the land that you are crossing the Jordan to possess.14 At that time the LORD commanded me to teach you the statutes and ordinances you are to follow in the land that you are crossing the Jordan to possess.15So since you saw no form of any kind on the day the LORD spoke to you out of the fire at Horeb, be careful 16that you do not act corruptly and make an idol for yourselves of any form or shape, whether in the likeness of a male or female,17 of any beast that is on the earth or bird that flies in the air, 18or of any creature that crawls on the ground or fish that is in the waters below"
It comes RIGHT OUT AND SAYS IT -- "13He declared to you His covenant, which He commanded you to follow— the Ten Commandments that He wrote on two tablets of stone. "
THAT IS THE OLD TESTAMENT, THE OLD COVENANT, BASED ON THE MOSAIC LAW. IT SAYS NOT TO MAKE IDOLS.
A painting of Jesus Himself, captioned, "Jesus I Trust in You" is not an Idol.
Here are the beginning and closing prayers of the Divine Mercy Chaplet.
O Jesus, eternal Truth, our Life, I call upon You and I beg Your mercy for poor sinners. O sweetest Heart of my Lord, full of pity and unfathomable mercy, I plead with You for poor sinners. O Most Sacred Heart, Fount of Mercy from which gush forth rays of inconceivable graces upon the entire human race, I beg of You light for poor sinners. O Jesus, be mindful of Your own bitter Passion and do not permit the loss of souls redeemed at so dear a price of Your most precious Blood. O Jesus, when I consider the great price of Your Blood, I rejoice at its immensity, for one drop alone would have been enough for the salvation of all sinners. Although sin is an abyss of wickedness and ingratitude, the price paid for us can never be equalled. Therefore, let every soul trust in the Passion of the Lord, and place its hope in His mercy. God will not deny His mercy to anyone. Heaven and earth may change, but God's mercy will never be exhausted. Oh, what immense joy burns in my heart when I contemplate Your incomprehensible goodness, O Jesus! I desire to bring all sinners to Your feet that they may glorify Your mercy throughout endless ages
and the closing prayer:
Eternal God, in whom mercy is endless and the treasury of compassion — inexhaustible, look kindly upon us and increase Your mercy in us, that in difficult moments we might not despair nor become despondent, but with great confidence submit ourselves to Your holy will, which is Love and Mercy itself.
O Greatly Merciful God, Infinite Goodness, today all mankind calls out from the abyss of its misery to Your mercy — to Your compassion, O God; and it is with its mighty voice of misery that it cries out. Gracious God, do not reject the prayer of this earth's exiles! O Lord, Goodness beyond our understanding, Who are acquainted with our misery through and through, and know that by our own power we cannot ascend to You, we implore You: anticipate us with Your grace and keep on increasing Your mercy in us, that we may faithfully do Your holy will all through our life and at death's hour. Let the omnipotence of Your mercy shield us from the darts of our salvation’s enemies, that we may with confidence, as Your children, await Your [Son’s] final coming — that day known to You alone. And we expect to obtain everything promised us by Jesus in spite of all our wretchedness. For Jesus is our Hope: through His merciful Heart, as through an open gate, we pass through to heaven
“You are an absolute Looney Tune.”
I’m not the one dodging the questions of eternal life, so who’s the “Looney Tune”?
“Stop posting to me.”
So says the person that keeps answering me, you just cannot make this stuff up.
And then you double down questioning Irenaeus’ too late to consider commentary.
The simple point is…. If early Church fathers do not qualify in your mind as guidance for the early Faith…
How in the world could you ever accept Faith constructs 1500-1800 years beyond even what you will accept?
Chronology then works against your own Faith ideals.
Not sure why you went with what the Albigensians- and Waldensians - and what that has to do with the Theotokos discussion- but yes- the Church acknowledges bad things happened in the Church throughout its history- and still happen today.
But remember too - many GOOD things happened as well- even by those same terrible methods the Church is accused of- like pushing back the Muslim invasion and bringing Christianity to South America.
Bad methods for sure though.. abuses by MEN of the Church.
NOT unlike our own slavery horrors of a growing American country. Bad things happen.
But also holding on to wrongs of the medieval Church in this manner, would also validate an incriminating "me-too" of the supposed "reformed" Protestant sects that appeared on the scene- as they as well, engaged in violence and murderous killing as well...
But again, that's just a non-sequitur digression from the Theotokos discussion.
"A cellular DNA process where it is proven that Jesus’ body would carry cellular composition from Mary’s DNA...
And also, that Mary’s body would have DNA cells from her fetal Jesus probably until the end of her earthly days.”
There’s no proof of your statement, it is just a simple assumption and since we cannot test it really means nothing,
Sorry, I was not referencing a DNA lineage that you went to great length to flesh out with regard to scriptural lineage. That wasn’t my point. I was only showing you that through a natural human process Christ-and the Blessed Virgin would -in utero- exchange certain cellular makeup- which they carried in their bodies. (as you and your mother do/did).
And so major push back - you are not correct at all:
there IS absolute proof to the statement I wrote- and it has been scientifically tested and proven...
It’s a fascinating process called Fetal Microchimerism they have recently discovered where that a mother (In this case Mary) would
share a fetal cellular exchange- that can last decades after the pregnancy.
These cells are foreign to our bodies and very much alive- but they are in fact cells from another DNA instruction.
It is not something hypothetical- its scientifically proven to exist.
Mary's maternal Motherhood of Christ, "My Lord, AND My GOD" is the basis for the Theotokos,
and requires that one deny the "Incarnation" as Christ taking bodily flesh from Mary- to dismiss her role in this way.
She is after all, Blessed among all women for this.
But again- I am not knowledgeable enough to explain it.
But to be sure – the Church is not assigning Mary to mothering the Divinity of Christ – or god for that matter.
She is not the Mother of the trinity – or pre-exited God.
the church has never taught that-
and anyone who believes this notion that Mary is responsible for the divinity of the GodHead is wrong.
“angel of light.”
Every time I debate you romans I see more and more why you are romans, your ignorance of the Scriptures is just amazing.
Revelation 19:10, John the beloved apostle fell at the angel’s feet, so if John the very one that leaned on our Lord Jesus fell for it then a roman pagan nun would not have a chance.
The rest of your writing is all roman gibberish, sounds good, but without Romans 10:9-10 your still hell bound.
“A painting of Jesus Himself, captioned, “Jesus I Trust in You” is not an Idol.”
It is NOT a painting of our Lord Jesus, there is absolutely no picture of Jesus Christ in existence.
“THAT IS THE OLD TESTAMENT, THE OLD COVENANT, BASED ON THE MOSAIC LAW. IT SAYS NOT TO MAKE IDOLS.”
So, you are saying that the Ten Commandments are still not relevant?
Ok hero here is your chance, why did YOUR cult remove the second Commandment, but keep the rest???
“If early Church fathers do not qualify in your mind as guidance for the early Faith”
The only Church fathers are the apostles, they rest are no different that you and me, so I really do not trust their voices. Yes I know the roman cult is built upon those folks, but that is exactly why the roman cult is the New Testament Babylon or whore of rome.
“It’s a fascinating process called Fetal Microchimerism
But again- I am not knowledgeable enough to explain it.”
It is GOD the Creator no one is able to explain it, that is why it is called a miracle conception and virgin birth.
“Sorry, I was not referencing a DNA lineage that you went to great length to flesh out with regard to scriptural lineage.”
But you are trying to connect Mary to our Lord Jesus by DNA, so apparently the lineage does matter or you romans would not be trying to tie Mary with our Lord Jesus as you tried.
“But to be sure – the Church is not assigning Mary to mothering the Divinity of Christ – or god for that matter.”
So, tell me the difference.
rcc’s pray to Mary and their god
rcc’s bow to Mary and their god
rcc’s kneel to Mary and their god
rcc’s offer sacrifice to Mary and their god
rcc’s serve Mary and their god
rcc’s get grace from Mary and from their god
“How in the world could you ever accept Faith constructs 1500-1800 years beyond even what you will accept?”
Have you never heard of the inquisitions… you do know that was your roman cult murdering protestants, right?
Question, was the seven churches of Revelation 1-3 roman catholic, protestant, or both?
In Revelation 19:10 that was a real angel, not a demon.
So it doesn't even fit your mistaken accusation.
And of course, you haven't shown it was a demon who appeared to the nun re: the Divine Mercy Chaplet.
You just declared it all by yourself.
It is NOT a painting of our Lord Jesus, there is absolutely no picture of Jesus Christ in existence.
No photographs, unless you count the negative on the Shroud of Turin.
But lots and lots and LOTS of paintings throughout all Christendom.
I guess getting the death penalty for being a Christian until the 300s or so, was COMPLETELY insignificant, according to you.
Looney Toon strikes again!
Now I know where them voices in my head come from!
Oh - WAIT!
I’m a male, so it doesn’t work that way - must be something else...
15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never!
16 Or don’t you know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.”
...or neither?
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