Posted on 10/22/2022 6:53:40 PM PDT by marshmallow
‘Traditionalism’ is a form ‘of a Pelagian selfishness that puts our own tastes and plans above the love that pleases God, the simple, humble and faithful love that Jesus asked of Peter,’ said Pope Francis.
VATICAN CITY (LifeSiteNews) – Marking the 60th anniversary of the start of the Second Vatican Council, Pope Francis attacked “traditionalism” as being “evidence … of infidelity” to the Catholic Church.
The Argentinian Pontiff made his remarks in his homily during a Mass in St. Peter’s Basilica on October 10, marking the 60th anniversary of the opening of the ecumenical Second Vatican Council.
Using a passage from St. John’s Gospel – “Do you love me? Feed my sheep” – Francis launched his attack on the traditionalist movement.
Stating that “we are always tempted to start from ourselves rather than from God, to put our own agendas before the Gospel,” he decried those who wished to “retrace our steps.”
“Yet let us be careful,” he said, “both the ‘progressivism’ that lines up behind the world and the ‘traditionalism’ – or ‘looking backwards’ – that longs for a bygone world are not evidence of love, but of infidelity.”
Francis styled both “traditionalism” and “progressivism” as “forms of a Pelagian selfishness that puts our own tastes and plans above the love that pleases God, the simple, humble and faithful love that Jesus asked of Peter.”
Praising the Council for its actions, Francis stated that it “rediscovered the living river of Tradition without remaining mired in traditions.”
He told the assembled congregation not to be concerned with being “on the climb” towards heaven, or with attempts to “shepherd yourselves.” Rather, Francis urged a rejection of everything in the service of fraternity.
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To the best of my knowledge, Benedict still lives.
This is all starting to sound like Brian Moore’s novel Catholics. It was made into a pretty good TV film nu the Brits with Trevor Howard and Martin Shern.
Good priests I’ve heard such as Fr.Mitch Pacwa inerviewing fr.John Riccardo last week on EWTN TV, say the people should be in the world but not of the world and should battle the attempts to make the Church conform to the comfortable stances of the secular world.
So they said be pro-life even if the popular stance is not, including both abortions and end of life euthanasia.
This does not sound like that.
RE: I’m not Catholic, but I’m always wondering what’s happened to the Real Pope.
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Bewildering. I’m not a Catholic, either but I’ve noticed bears coming into town to use the rest rooms at fast food places. Since the Big Lebowski. Things are topsy turvy.
Funny, the Novus Ordo is very much about self. Unlike the TLM , which is about celebrating Christ.
That’s what I thought. I wondered why Benedict quit. He was forced somehow.
hes already done. sorry to say but youre a little late!! you Holy rollers shoulda ousted that imposter years ago!
Francis, the “Build Back Better” pope— another WEF/Soros puppet, like the figurehead-leaders of Canada, USA, New Zealand, etc...
Reminds me of that old song Anything Goes
“In olden days a glimpse of stocking was looked on as something shocking, but now God knows, anything goes...
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The world has gone mad today
And good’s bad today
And black’s white today
And day’s night today
And most guys (popes) today
Who lead the church today
Are just silly gigilos ...”
42 and a half sheets to the wind!
I was in single digits agewise in the mid sixties listening to talk from the alter and other places about Vatican two. I couldn’t get past the idea that a going on two thousand year old religion hadn’t got it right yet. Still haven’t digested that one. In my head it’s always been Vatican bullshit.
You know, I don’t think this pope is really all that unusual.
I’ve been reading Durant’s “Story of Philosophy” and got to the part about Voltaire - I used to know a lot about him, but I had forgotten quite a bit. He became involved in the persecution of non-catholics in France and stirred up quite a bit of dust in the process.
So that made me read some more stuff; this is about the “St Bartholomew’s Day massacre” (massacre of Huguenot Protestants by Catholics) - (wikipedia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Bartholomew%27s_Day_massacre
(Catherine di Medici - a good Catholic, right? right? :D)
I guess there have been quite a number of books/movies made about this interesting time in history.
Here is a list of Roman Catholic persecutions of J3ws, also very interesting:
Containing such gems as:
c. 937 Pope Leo VII encourages his newly appointed archbishop of Mainz to expel all Jews who refuse to be baptized
c. 1010-1020 In Rouen, Orléans, Limoges, Mainz, and probably also in Rome, Jews are converted by force, massacred, or expelled
And this:
1096 Massacres of Jews takes place in the First Crusade, destroying entire Jewish communities in Mainz, Speyer, Worms, Cologne and other cities. The Jewish chronicler reports: “The enemies stripped them naked and dragged them off, granting quarter to none, save those few who accepted baptism. The number of the slain was eight hundred in these two days.” The chronicler Guibert de Nogent reports that the Rouen Crusaders said: “We desire to go and fight God’s enemies in the East; but we have before our eyes certain Jews, a race more inimical to God than any other”
Yes, I know - people kill and persecute each other all the time. The Catholic Church has made rather a name for itself over the centuries with its persecutions, killing, torturing, exile, and massacring of MILLIONS of people - let’s make the distinction that these were innocent people, noncombatants as it says in the Qran. This going on over centuries of time. With the Pope’s blessing, supposedly. The Pope, who is (supposedly) the scion of St Peter, who by all reports was a very good, nice, humble man though possessed of enormous powers.
(from the article) (Francis) told the assembled congregation not to be concerned with being “on the climb” towards heaven, or with attempts to “shepherd yourselves.” Rather, Francis urged a rejection of everything in the service of fraternity.
Now we must accept collectivism. Sounds like the Roman Catholic Church is on the hunt again, and thirsting for blood.
Yea? Progressivism is.
Let’s debate facts evil man, no?
Hey Poop! It is against the teaches of Christ! To hell with the Vaticant and the Poop!
How can adhering to 1000 years of Catholic ecclesiology constitute “infidelity” and how does Christ’s admonition to Peter even relate to this?
If the Maronites, Anglican Use, etc, can have their own rite, why can’t the Latin rite keep going? It’s not heresy. It’s heritage.
I’ve thought the same.
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