Posted on 05/20/2022 10:21:48 PM PDT by Cronos
Noon is,strawmanning anything. The title,indicates that in orde to get intk heaven one mjst endure hardships, and that is a lie.
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You sure do like judging folks eh?
What an absolute crock. As usual, the Catholic church tries to take away the power of the cross. Excuse me while I go say some rosaries in hopes of summoning the Virg to help with our baby formula shortage.
Something about a rich man, a camel, and a needle come to mind.
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If you were to travel to a third world country the odds are that you would be the richest man those people have ever seen.
Your material abundance is something they will never see. Would that verse then pertain to you?
Something about ears and not hearing and eyes without seeing comes to mind.
Hosea 4:6 my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.
At a minimum I am responding to the false notion that one must enduring hardships in order to achieve eternity in heaven which is a false claim.
According to past posts by you, You beleive one must work for their salvation while at the same time denying that you beleive that, despite your posts clearly indicating that that is what you beleive. My bible doesnt teach anything of the sort, so you and i are not going to agree on the,issue at all, and i dont need you jump8jg into my conversations to someone else, as we discuss the preaching a false doctrine. You posted verse after verse c,aiming that they proved one must work for their salvation in the past, and i posted article after article showing that those verses had nothing to do with maintaining one’ssalvation. You ignored them all and kept posting ore like verse, and agsin I psted articles refuting your claims which you agsin ignored, so if you please, it is c,ear that you and i are not going to agree on the issue at all, and i dont need you jumping into my conversations to someone else, as we discuss the preaching a false doctrine - thanks.
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Ok
Don’t know why but the title of this thread made me think about the young rich man.
The point I was attempting to make is that all of us have our own crosses to bear which include various hardships throughout our existence on this earth. It is through these hardships that we are “polished” to better prepare us for the Kingdom of Heaven.
Throughout my life, I’ve witnessed and read of many instances where the rich man skated through life with “nary a scratch” nor endured what many of the poor endure on a regular basis. Marveled at that for a while until I realized that most of the “young rich men” were very shallow and self-centered. Explains why they are miserable yet have material abundance. The missing component is obviously not being God centered. Hence my young rich man thought.
By the way, my ears do hear and my eyes do see on a daily basis. Something we should all regularly work on honing.
It is through these hardships that we are “polished” to better prepare us for the Kingdom of Heaven.
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The Kingdom is not someplace in the future that we work for. The Kingdom is within and it’s now.
The word Kindom:
Strong’s Concordance Kingdom-
basileia: kingdom, sovereignty, royal power.
It’s not a place we go to, it’s a position given to us. Again you’re trying to work your way to God believing that the finished work of the cross needs you to participate.
You’re trying to “polish” yourself, actually make yourself worthy when that was finished on the cross.
God’s relationship with you is not determined by your righteousness. That was the first covenant dictated by the law. The first covenant of righteousness ended on the cross. Jesus became righteousness for all, he doesn’t need your help. As Jesus told Nicodemus; if you don’t understand this how can you understand spiritual things?
Luke 17:20 Now having been questioned by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God was coming, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; 21 nor will they say, ‘Look, here [it is]!’ or, ‘There [it is]!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”
“Kingdom is translated “Royal Power”
“Midst” is translated “within” Look it up
Stop trying to earn your way. It’s already been paid for
Enough already- I stated i wasn’t discussing the issue with you any further because you completely ignore everything i posted to all your false claims- and kept right on with more false claims- which i also addressed- which you again ignored- so enoug already- you believe what you like- and stop postign to me- thanks-
[[Where did the post, or does it, say anything about “earning”?]]
READ THE TITLE!
Enough with your works salvation- I’m not one bit interested in a false religious beleif- k?
[[Pelagianism was a heresy that said one can “earn” Heaven- and the Church condemned it. The Church teaches we cannot earn Salvation.
Ive told you that before - and you ignore me.]]
Nonsense- (once again)- Everything you said before supported your works based salvation belief- i pointed it out time after time- and you kept denying it despite it being m ore than clear that that was what you were saying-
The fact that you cant see that means that you and i can never agree on what you espouse despite how many times you falsely proclaim you don’t believe in it- your answers clearly indicated that you do— so once again- enough- not interested in your works based salvation
Didn’t say a word about earning my way into Heaven. You made an assumption. We were all saved from certain death by the blood and sacrifice of Jesus Christ himself. Our individual hardships build character toward hopefully becoming better men, not evil ones, in order to serve God for whatever purposes He has in mind for us. It’s really that simple.
You made an assumption.
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Noted, my mistake.
John 3
There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”
3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
OK.
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