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To: metmom

If they can look you square in the eye and credit the Catholic organization for the Bible, then you know you’re dealing with either ignorance beyond belief or liars. (Please remind me which writers of the books of the Bible were NOT Jewish.)

So, then, if that assertion can be made so easily, so can any other false assertions about Mary. Mary would be embarrassed by what the Catholic org has done to her precious name. Seems they forget that Mary was also a Jew.

“That whole screed about Mary and you didn’t mention the Father even once. It was God’s character through and in Jesus that made Jesus who He was, not anything He got from Mary.”

THAT IS CORRECT. He took on human flesh from Mary so that He could enter mankind, which He created. That was all He got from her. That’s it. No more than that. Mary had a very special place in history, but that’s all. She’s not a goddess, and would be horrified to know that people view her as such, her being a Jewess and a faithful believer in Messiah.

Catholics worshiping a Jewess “goddess.” Doesn’t get any more weird.


243 posted on 05/17/2022 6:15:05 AM PDT by SouthernClaire (God Bless America)
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To: SouthernClaire
She’s not a goddess, and would be horrified to know that people view her as such, her being a Jewess and a faithful believer in Messiah.

You are correct SC. Mary would be turning over in her grave, if she knew what the church tried to make her into. I doubt she will ever know. 🤗

248 posted on 05/17/2022 6:47:25 AM PDT by Mark17 (Retired USAF air traffic controller. Father of USAF pilot. USAF aviation runs in the family )
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To: SouthernClaire
credit the Catholic organization for the Bible

you can credit the Catholic Church for the collection of the canon that you refer to in the Bible. Note that the Ethopian Orthodox has 81 books, the Orthodox have a bit more than the Catholic and the Catholic has 73

Yet all three are part of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, so are the differing numbers of scriptural books a "problem"?

No, because there is no such thing as sola scriptura - it's not in the Bible and it's not what Jesus taught

Jesus didn't leave us a book, or collection of books -- Jesus left us a community, a Church - In Luke chapter 10 Jesus tell His Apostles that whomever hear you hears Me. In Matthew chapter 28, before ascending into Heaven, Jesus tells the Apostles that all the authority that God gave Him, he passes onto the Apostles. Jesus also told the Apostles to go out and teach the world everything that He taught and to Baptize them in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Jesus promises to be with them until the end of the age.

The Bible is the collection of books that the Catholic Church assembled and declared these are the inspired texts that can be read at Mass. This tells us that Jesus left a Church not a book.

NOTE - assembled and declared as God breathed -- the Rabbinical Jews compiled their own version of the "Old Testament" by removing what they saw as supporting the Jesus-movement Jews (i.e. Christianity) at the Council of Jamnia

In the Book of Acts chapter 1, Peter and the rest of the Apostles meet to replace Judas as one of the 12 Apostles. The King James Bible tells us that they referred to Judas’ office as a ‘Bishopric’. The understanding from the beginning is that the Apostles hold an office that has successors.

The Book of Acts chapter 15 tells us at the Council of Jerusalem, the Apostles, and those they had appointed called presbyters (bishops), held a Council that made a decision that went against what was then considered Scripture (the Old Testament required circumcision) and gave a binding decree on all Christians. This shows that the Apostles knew that they had authority from Jesus that could bind and loose the laws of the old covenant before there was a Bible. Their decree to the Church says that it seems good to the Holy Spirit and to us …. This shows that the Church had binding authority and was protected by the Holy Spirit as Jesus promised. They sent the decree out with Paul, Barnabas and other appointed messengers, showing how the authority came from the Apostles not a private interpretation of individuals.

In 1 Timothy chapter 3 Paul tells Timothy that the Church is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth not the Bible which was still being written. In chapter 4 Paul tells Timothy to be a good minister, to teach soundly and to not neglect the gift he was given through the laying on of his hands. Paul reminds him again in 2 Timothy 1:6 "Remember the gift you received with the laying on of my hands" referring to when he made Timothy a Bishop.

254 posted on 05/17/2022 7:11:35 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: SouthernClaire

Hear here! Right on, Sister! ... But then the catholicv org invented replacement theology, to elevate their org above Judaism, replacing the Jews with their org as the chosen people, falsely of course.


255 posted on 05/17/2022 7:12:40 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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