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A Masterpiece on the Immaculate Conception
The Catholic Thing ^ | December 8th, 2021 | Michael Pakaluk

Posted on 12/08/2021 2:19:08 PM PST by MurphsLaw

s it possible for a memorandum to be a masterpiece? A few paragraphs long, dashed off ex tempore, for a friend, not polished? Various columns in TCT have appreciated masterpieces – a poem, a painting, a musical work. But could a memorandum ever be accounted a “masterpiece”?

I have in mind Newman’s “Memorandum on the Immaculate Conception” – written off by the Cardinal,” his editor says, “for Mr. R. I. Wilberforce, formerly Archdeacon Wilberforce, to aid him in meeting the objections urged by some Protestant friends against the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception.”
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That’s it, “written off” – a memorandum is something written off, dashed off, tossed off.

Surely a master can “dash off” a masterpiece: witness the Gettysburg Address, a Shakespeare sonnet, a Scarlatti sonata. And so we look to Newman’s “Memorandum” without worries as truly a spiritual masterpiece.

Newman begins: “It is so difficult for me to enter into the feelings of a person who understands the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, and yet objects to it, that I am diffident about attempting to speak on the subject.” He adds, “I was accused of holding it, in one of the first books I wrote, twenty years ago. On the other hand, this very fact may be an argument against an objector – for why should it not have been difficult to me at that time, if there were a real difficulty in receiving it?”

Already, astonishing brilliance. He imagines someone raising difficulties, and his task would be to understand those difficulties and reply to them. But he can’t see any difficulties. Maybe he’s incompetent even to speak on the subject?

He turns this concern on its head. Many years ago, as a young Anglican minister, long before the pope’s definition, Newman had already come to hold that doctrine, naturally and easily. But he couldn’t have done if it had involved difficulties. So he has the requisite competence, which is to speak to the naturalness of the doctrine!

Here is that earlier passage, from the Parochial and Plain Sermons:

Who can estimate the holiness and perfection of her, who was chosen to be the Mother of Christ? If to him that hath, more is given, and holiness and divine favour go together (and this we are expressly told). . . .What must have been her gifts, who was chosen to be the only near earthly relative of the Son of God, the only one whom He was bound by nature to revere and look up to; the one appointed to train and educate Him, to instruct Him day by day, as He grew in wisdom and stature? This contemplation runs to a higher subject, did we dare to follow it; for what, think you, was the sanctified state of that human nature, of which God formed His sinless Son; knowing, as we do, that “that which is born of the flesh is flesh,” and that “none can bring a clean thing out of an unclean?”

Then come a series of devastating arguments as to why there are no difficulties in the doctrine. If there is no difficulty in saying that Eve was created without sin – if there is no risk of turning her into a deity – what is the great difficulty in saying that Mary was created without sin? If we hold that John the Baptist was cleansed of original sin in the womb, then why not Mary from an even earlier point in the womb? If there is no difficulty in saying that you and I are cleansed from original sin at some later point in our lives by baptism – if our saying so in no way detracts from the merits of the Lord – then wouldn’t Mary’s being cleansed even earlier in her life make her even more dependent on the Lord?

"We do not say that she did not owe her salvation to the death of her Son. Just the contrary, we say that she, of all mere children of Adam, is in the truest sense the fruit and the purchase of His Passion. He has done for her more than for anyone else. To others He gives grace and regeneration at a point in their earthly existence; to her, from the very beginning."

Newman then considers the antiquity of the doctrine. Why? Because “No one can add to revelation. That was given once for all; – but as time goes on, what was given once for all is understood more and more clearly.” You might wish to copy out these lines as proof of what Newman meant by “development of doctrine.” It did not allow for any new revelation. What it means, rather, is this: “The greatest Fathers and Saints in this sense have been in error, that, since the matter of which they spoke had not been sifted, and the Church had not spoken, they did not in their expressions do justice to their own real meaning.”

He focuses on the contrast between Mary and Eve in the earliest writings of the Fathers, and especially the proto-evangelion: “See the direct bearing of this upon the Immaculate Conception... There was war between the woman and the Serpent. This is most emphatically fulfilled if she had nothing to do with sin – for, so far as any one sins, he has an alliance with the Evil One.”

Newman’s masterpiece concludes: “I say it distinctly – there may be many excuses at the last day, good and bad, for not being Catholics; one I cannot conceive: ‘O Lord, the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception was so derogatory to Thy grace, so inconsistent with Thy Passion, so at variance with Thy word in Genesis and the Apocalypse, so unlike the teaching of Thy first Saints and Martyrs, as to give me a right to reject it at all risks, and Thy Church for teaching it. It is a doctrine as to which my private judgment is fully justified in opposing the Church’s judgment. And this is my plea for living and dying a Protestant.’”



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To: Mark17

Certainly no reason from scripture to believe Mary was sinless, nor a perpetual virgin.

On the contrary, I suspect she filled God’s design for marriage - and enjoyed it.


101 posted on 12/10/2021 5:08:39 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything ᡕᠵ᠊ᡃ࡚ࠢ࠘ ⸝່ࠡࠣ᠊߯᠆ࠣ࠘ᡁࠣ࠘᠊᠊ࠢ࠘𐡏⁻ )
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To: MurphsLaw
So you know, our role is to "proclaims Jesus Christ as the source of conversion and new life- and re-affirmation of the old, lapsed life.. so yes- Guilty as charged... my hope is to "draw people into the body of Christ, which is the Church, and thereby give them access to all the gifts that Jesus wants his people to enjoy- and lead abundant lives."

People do not access Jesus through a church.

The Holy Spirit draws men to Christ and they go to Jesus Himself for salvation. No church ever saved anyone. No sacrament, religious ritual or activity, or any other obligation saves anyone.

Only Jesus saves and He saves everyone who comes to HIM, not to those who go to a church and look to that for salvation.

102 posted on 12/10/2021 5:34:13 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I recall a scene where some one comes to Jesus while He was teaching in a house, telling Him that His Mother and Brothers were outside seeking an audience with Him.


103 posted on 12/10/2021 5:34:17 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; MHGinTN
On the contrary, I suspect she filled God’s design for marriage - and enjoyed it.

I suspect Joseph enjoyed it too, 👍😀 and fathered many children with Mary. 👍👍👍 I suspect Mary, was like most Jews at the time. They didn’t quite understand the true plan of redemption. She obviously knew Jesus did not have a human father, but I think she still didn’t understand it. Even the brothers of Jesus didn’t believe in Him. I think, after the resurrection, they did (James, the head of the Jerusalem church, and Jude) Maybe the resurrection finally clued Mary in as well. We don’t know for sure. We don’t know if all the other brothers and sisters of Jesus became believers. I hope they all did. 😀

104 posted on 12/10/2021 5:41:21 PM PST by Mark17 (USAF ATCer, Retired. Father of USAF pilot. ATCers & pilots, the quintessential elements of aviation)
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To: Mark17
Elsie, we need your little horny old goat story.

Sorry Mark, but I talk about myself WAY too much as it is.

105 posted on 12/10/2021 7:11:36 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MurphsLaw
This confusion alone, warrants discussion.

It is Rome that generated confusion.

The Book Rome assembled so long ago says ALL have sinned...

Trying to move the goalposts AFTER this was published kinda gives away the game!

Two sinners (Marys parents) got it on and produced Mary (a sinner herself).

She then 'knew no man' when the Holy Spirit overshadowed her.

The Son of GOD took on human flesh (the nasty stuff) and was laid in a manger after being born.

Eight days later a chunk of that flesh was cut off; as it counted for nothing.


Add or subtract from this story at your own peril.

106 posted on 12/10/2021 7:18:26 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Texas_Guy
https://www.catholic.com/tract/immaculate-conception-and-assumption


The Assumption of Mary is one of the four Marian dogmas of the Catholic Church, and holds that the Virgin Mary "having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory". The dogma was defined by Pope Pius XII on 1 November 1950, in the apostolic constitution Munificentissimus Deus.[4] 
 
 
(It took them long enough!)

107 posted on 12/10/2021 7:23:43 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Old Yeller
 
 The chaste maiden; forever Virgin??
 
 
The Roman Catholic Church  has turned the beautiful, blessed lady of Scripture into an asexual, frigid Jewish wife; who withheld her favors from Joseph for no rational reason.
 

1 Corinthians 7:1-40 ESV 

... each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.

The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband.

For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does.

Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.

 

 Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer;

but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.


108 posted on 12/10/2021 7:26:22 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Old Yeller
Joseph:  Mary; are you asleep?
Mary: You bozo; you KNOW I have to do my prayers.
 
Joseph:  I was just wondering if....
Mary: You hornytoad;  you KNOW I have had this HEADACHE for nigh unto these 12 years or so!
 
Joseph:  A fella can HOPE eternally; can't he?
Mary: Hope all you want; you ain't gettin' it:   I HAVE to remain a VIRGIN for my FOLLOWERS!!
 
Joseph:  What 'followers'?
Mary: The ones who will be bombarding me forEVER with their heartfelt requests!!!
 
Joseph:  I may as well be dead...
Mary: What did you just mumble?  I ain't DEAD; just FRIGID.  Now roll OVER and go to sleep. 
 
 
 
 
Mary: Son? Are you listening??   I've got a bunch more good, Catholic prayers for you to deal with.  Ready?
 
 
 
 

109 posted on 12/10/2021 7:28:48 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
A friend reminded me:

No where in Scripture is Mary given a special exemption..but I know you know that!

Romans 8:10...none are righteous...not even one

Romans 8:23...all have sinned

1 Kings 8:46...there is no one who does not sin

Ecclesiastes 7:20...there is no righteous man on earth who does good and never sins

Romans 3:9....that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under sin

1 John 1:8....if we say we have no sin

2 Chronicles 6:36....if they sin against thee (for there is no man which sinneth not)

Proverbs 20:9....who can say, “I have kept my heart pure; I am cleansed from my sin?”

The Bible only records one sinless person....Christ.

110 posted on 12/10/2021 7:29:24 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Old Yeller
Let's try some easy math:
 
 
 

There are approximately 1.2 billion Catholics world wide;
 
If merely 1% of them  'ask' Mary for help just once each day;
 
that means that 12 million separate prayers are headed Mary's direction every day.
 

Given that there are 86,400 seconds per day... (24 hours times 60 minutes times 60 seconds)
 
...that means that Mary has to handle approximately 139 'requests' per second!
 
Purty good fer someone NOT 'divine'!

111 posted on 12/10/2021 7:30:19 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Texas_Guy
...the only thing Protestants agree on ...

Gee, Tex.

With a brush this broad the fence will be painted in no time!

112 posted on 12/10/2021 7:31:41 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SamuraiScot
I believe it's a traditional understanding of Our Lady's nature that was defined as dogma in I think 1854.

WHAT???!!!???

No early church fathers that nailed this down before the Dark Ages??

113 posted on 12/10/2021 7:33:02 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide

Well then!

That man better be prepared for the smell of brimstone in his area shortly!!


114 posted on 12/10/2021 7:34:12 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
Mary sure does seem to stir up you Prots.

  

Besides the Indulgences attached to the Rosary, Our Lady revealed to St. Dominic and Blessed Alan de la Roche additional benefits for those who devoutly pray the Rosary.

Our Lady's promise is shown in bold, darker blue text. Additional explanation on and doctrinal connections to each promise is shown following in the smaller normal text font and color

Note that the Rosary is the prayer (non-Liturgical) with the most published Magisterial / Papal documents expounding on its excellence.

Vatican II's summary on Our Lady is contained in Lumen Gentium chapter VIII.

 

1.Whosoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary shall receive signal graces.

Signal Graces are those special and unique Graces to help sanctify us in our state in life. See the remaining promises for an explanation for which these will consist. St. Louis de Montfort states emphatically that the best and fastest way to union with Our Lord is via Our Lady [True Devotion to Mary, chapter four].

2.I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary.

Our Lady is our Advocate and the channel of all God's Grace to us. Our Lady is simply highlighting that She will watch especially over us who pray the Rosary. (see Lumen Gentium chapter VIII - Our Lady #62) [a great more detail is available on this topic in True Devotion to Mary, chapter four, by St. Louis de Montfort]

3.The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin and defeat heresies.

This promise, along with the next, is simply the reminder on how fervent prayer will help us all grow in holiness by avoiding sin, especially a prayer with the excellence of the Rosary. An increase in holiness necessarily requires a reduction in sin, vice, and doctrinal errors (heresies). If only the Modernists could be convinced to pray the Rosary! (see Lumen Gentium chapter V - The Call to Holiness #42) St. Louis de Montfort states "Since Mary alone crushed all heresies, as we are told by the Church under the guidance of the Holy Spirit (Office of the Blessed Virgin Mary)..." [True Devotion to Mary #167]

4.It will cause good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of men from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire for Eternal Things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means.

This promise, along with the previous, is the positive part, that being to live in virtue. Becoming holy is not only avoiding sin, but also growing in virtue. (see Lumen Gentium chapter V - The Call to Holiness #42)

5.The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary shall not perish.

Since Our Lady is our Mother and Advocate, She always assists those who call on Her implicitly by praying the Rosary. The Church reminds us of this in the Memorare prayer, "... never was it known that anyone who fled to your protection, implored your help or sought your intercession, was left unaided ..."

6.Whosoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying himself to the consideration of its Sacred Mysteries shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just he shall remain in the grace of God, and become worthy of Eternal Life.

This promise highlights the magnitude of Graces that the Rosary brings to whomever prays it. One will draw down God's Mercy rather than His Justice and will have a final chance to repent (see promise #7). One will not be conquered by misfortune means that Our Lady will obtain for the person sufficient Graces to handle said misfortune (i.e. carry the Crosses allowed by God) without falling into despair. As Sacred Scripture tells us, "For my yoke is sweet and my burden light." (Matthew 11:30)

7.Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church.

This promise highlights the benefits of obtaining the most possible Graces at the hour of death via the Sacraments of Confession, Eucharist, and Extreme Unction (Anointing of the Sick). Being properly disposed while receiving these Sacraments near death ensures one's salvation (although perhaps with a detour through Purgatory) since a final repentance is possible.

8.Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the Light of God and the plenitude of His Graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the Merits of the Saints in Paradise.

Our Lady highlights the great quantity of Graces obtain through praying the Rosary, which assist us during life and at the moment of death. The merits of the Saints are the gift of God's rewards to those persons who responded to His Grace that they obtained during life, and so Our Lady indicates that She will provide a share of that to us at death. With this promise and #7 above, Our Lady is providing the means for the person to have a very holy death.

9.I shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary.

Should one require Purgatorial cleansing after death, Our Lady will make a special effort to obtain our release from Purgatory through Her intercession as Advocate.

10.The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of Glory in Heaven.

This promise is a logical consequence of promises #3 and #4 since anyone who truly lives a holier life on earth will obtain a higher place in Heaven. The closer one is to God while living on earth, the close that person is to Him also in Heaven. The Catechism of the Catholic Church states "Spiritual progress tends toward ever more union with Christ." (Catechism of the Catholic Church paragraph 2014)

11.You shall obtain all you ask of me by recitation of the Rosary.

This promise emphasizes Our Lady's role as our Advocate and Mediatrix of all Graces. Of course, all requests are subject to God's Most Perfect Will. God will always grant our request if it is beneficial for our soul, and Our Lady will only intercede for us when our request is good for our salvation. (see Lumen Gentium chapter VIII - Our Lady #62)

12.All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities.

If one promotes the praying of the Rosary, Our Lady emphasizes Her Maternal care for us by obtaining many Graces (i.e. spiritual necessities) and also material necessities (neither excess nor luxury), all subject to the Will of God of course.

13.I have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire Celestial Court during their life and at the hour of death.

Since Our Lady is our Advocate, She brings us additional assistance during our life and at our death from all the saints in Heaven (the Communion of Saints). See paragraphs 954 through 959 in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

14.All who recite the Rosary are my Sons, and brothers of my Only Son Jesus Christ.

Since the Rosary is a most excellent prayer focused on Jesus and His Life and activities in salvation history, it brings us closer to Our Lord and Our Lady. Doctrinally, Our Lady is our Mother and Jesus is our Eldest Brother, besides being our God. (see Lumen Gentium chapter VIII - Our Lady #62)

15.Devotion to my Rosary is a great sign of predestination.

Predestination in this context means that, by the sign which is present to a person from the action of devoutly praying the Rosary, God has pre-ordained your salvation. Absolute certainty of salvation can only be truly known if God reveals it to a person because, although we are given sufficient Grace during life, our salvation depends upon our response to said Grace. (See Summa Theologica, Question 23 for a detailed theological explanation). Said another way, if God has guaranteed a person's salvation but has not revealed it to Him, God would want that person to pray the Rosary because of all the benefits and Graces obtained. Therefore the person gets a hint by devotion to the Rosary. This is not to say that praying the Rosary guarantees salvation - by no means. In looking at promises #3 and #4 above, praying the Rosary helps one to live a holy life, which is itself a great sign that a soul is on the road to salvation. (See also paragraphs 381, 488, 600, 2782 in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.) In fact, St. Louis de Montfort says even more strongly that "an infallible and unmistakable sign by which we can distinguish a heretic, a man of false doctrine, an enemy of God, from one of God's true friends is that the hardened sinner and heretic show nothing but contempt and indifference to Our Lady..." [True Devotion to Mary, #30]

Reminder: these promises mean that, by faithfully and devoutly praying the Rosary,

Our Lady will obtain for us the necessary Graces to obtain said promises.

It is still up to each individual soul to respond to those Graces in order to obtain salvation.


http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/prayer/15promise.htm

115 posted on 12/10/2021 7:36:06 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
Catholicism declares she is equal to the word of God.

That's a lie.


12. All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities.
13. I have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire Celestial Court during their life and at the hour of death.
14. All who recite the Rosary are my Sons, and brothers of my Only Son Jesus Christ.

116 posted on 12/10/2021 7:43:26 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; aMorePerfectUnion; MHGinTN; metmom
Elsie, we need your little horny old goat story.

Sorry Mark, but I talk about myself WAY too much as it is.

LOL. I wasn’t referring to YOU, as the horny old goat. I was referring to Joseph, who wanted from Mary, what all men think they got coming, when they marry a woman. 😀😁 Since Mary and Joseph had a ton of kids, I can only assume they did the evil deed (sex). 😀😄😁🙃🤗😊👍 Maybe Joseph wasn’t a horny old goat, after all. 👍😀

117 posted on 12/10/2021 7:45:10 PM PST by Mark17 (USAF ATCer, Retired. Father of USAF pilot. ATCers & pilots, the quintessential elements of aviation)
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To: Jan_Sobieski; SamuraiScot
Mary needed to be saved from sin…like all of us!


Luke 2:22-24
When the time came for the purification rites required by the Law of Moses, Joseph and Mary took him to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord  (as it is written in the Law of the Lord, “Every firstborn male is to be consecrated to the Lord”),  and to offer a sacrifice in keeping with what is said in the Law of the Lord: “a pair of doves or two young pigeons.”
 
 

The LAW! 
 
Leviticus 12:7-8
Then he shall offer it before the LORD and make atonement for her, and she shall be cleansed from the flow of her blood. This is the law for her who bears a child, whether a male or a female.
'But if she cannot afford a lamb, then she shall take two turtledoves or two young pigeons, the one for a burnt offering and the other for a sin offering; and the priest shall make atonement for her, and she will be clean.'"
 

 
 
Sinless Mary??
 Not according to Rome's Book;    1 John 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
 
That's the way it is WRITTEN.
 
THIS is the way it is TAUGHT:  1 John 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us; the only exception being Mary, Mother of GOD, of course.
 
 Rome has published facts, in it's book,  that have turned IT's 'Mary' into a HYPOCRITE, by painting her as SINLESS, yet writing of her going into the temple to make a SIN offering.

118 posted on 12/10/2021 7:46:28 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: one guy in new jersey
Saint John the Baptist was cleansed of Original Sin when the Blessed Virgin Mary visited her cousin Elizabeth when the latter was pregnant with the Baptist, resulting in the fact that he was born cleansed of all sin, including Original Sin.

WHAT!!??!!


Where does Rome come UP with this non-scriptural 'tradition'?

119 posted on 12/10/2021 7:48:53 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: one guy in new jersey
Did Eve sin?

What kind of a red herring is THIS?

120 posted on 12/10/2021 7:49:57 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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