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To: MurphsLaw
So you know, our role is to "proclaims Jesus Christ as the source of conversion and new life- and re-affirmation of the old, lapsed life.. so yes- Guilty as charged... my hope is to "draw people into the body of Christ, which is the Church, and thereby give them access to all the gifts that Jesus wants his people to enjoy- and lead abundant lives."

People do not access Jesus through a church.

The Holy Spirit draws men to Christ and they go to Jesus Himself for salvation. No church ever saved anyone. No sacrament, religious ritual or activity, or any other obligation saves anyone.

Only Jesus saves and He saves everyone who comes to HIM, not to those who go to a church and look to that for salvation.

102 posted on 12/10/2021 5:34:13 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith)
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To: metmom
People do not access Jesus through a church.

Access? Heck yeah...
Jesus Christ is alive in any Church that has valid Consecration of the Eucharist. It's been that way for 2000 years. CHRIST promised us he would build a Church and that's what the Apostles did. So you don't agree...I get that. Justin Martyr witnessed for the Sacrifice of the Mass...1900 years ago. Dont believe me? Look it up.

The Holy Spirit draws men to Christ and they go to Jesus Himself for salvation. No church ever saved anyone.

I never said- and the Catholic Church does not promote -that we are saved by the "Church". Why do you say that?
If that is your inderstanding- it is incorrect

The Holy Spirit draws people to Christ?

I was baptized into the Faith by my Parents... The Holy Spirit was there too.... but in that Water of Rebirth....if that's what you mean... and Billy Graham was not wasting his time either...


224 posted on 12/11/2021 10:13:42 PM PST by MurphsLaw ("Behold a virgin shall be with child, and bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel")
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