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rev310.net ^ | 10/7/21 | Pete Garcia

Posted on 10/11/2021 10:01:48 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal

Over the course of my military career, I’ve been around A LOT of health/fitness-conscious people. Many of them have become true believers in things like cross-fit, yoga, and other forms of exercise and it becomes a way of life for them. Similarly, I’ve seen all the passing diet and nutrition trends that seem to come on strong, make a big splash, then fade off into the twilight as quickly as they arrived. My observation is that younger people generally want to look good by putting in the work (sweat equity), while older people generally want to look good by changing what they eat. Either way, the goal is to look good and embody the epitome of health.

Now, there is nothing wrong with wanting to stay healthy. There is nothing wrong with wanting to eat healthily. I mean, we only have this one body and we have to make it last as long as we can, I suppose. We should all strive to “do better” regarding our own personal health. No, what I’m referring to here are the people that obsess about their appearance. They obsess about wrinkles, body-fat percentage, balding, gray hair, or dress sizes.

The days of our lives are seventy years; And if by reason of strength they are eighty years, Yet their boast is only labor and sorrow; For it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

Psalm 90:10

In the passage above, Moses makes the declarative statement that the age of a man’s life would be between 70 and 80 years. Interestingly, Moses (who himself lived to be 120 years old) wrote this o/a the 15th century B.C. Life spans since then have varied greatly with parts of the ancient world and the middle ages only seeing life spans reaching into the 30s and 40s. However, it is curious to note that we are now back at a time when this 70 to 80 years of life, seems to be the norm, not the exception. But let us make the case for 80 years as a standard. Heck, we could even make the case for 100 years or 1,000 years of age. What do any of these lifespans mean in comparison to eternity?

According to the Free Dictionary, eternity is defined as:

1. endless or infinite time

2. the quality, state, or condition of being eternal

3. (usually plural) any of the aspects of life and thought that are considered to be timeless, esp. timeless and true

4. (Theology) theol the condition of timeless existence, believed by some to characterize the afterlife

5. a seemingly endless period of time: an eternity of waiting.

Even the Antediluvian patriarch Methuselah, who lived to the great age of 969 years old, has now been dead for over 4,000 years. We could fit 12 of our 80-year lifespans into his 969 years, and even he would say his life went by in a flash. Not only that, but he has now been in the eternal realm (at least by our measure of time) four times longer than he lived. Thus, Methuselah will spend all of eternity in the glorious presence of God.

Paradoxically, we live in a world absolutely fixated on the here and now, and this has blinded many to the real nature of reality. True reality, is not what we can touch or see, but the world we can’t see. The writer of Hebrews noted that the Law, the Temple, and everything else, are but shadows of the real things already in heaven. The real reality is the eternal realm. It is the timeless state of being that exists outside of our universal fish tank.

Author’s Note: I often use our fish tank to demonstrate to my children just as we exist outside of the fish tank in our home, God exists outside of our universe, and yet, we are not far away. We can add or take water out. We can add food or move the fish to clean the tank. We can add in décor or take everything out. Furthermore, we can look in and see Goldie’s entire existence all at the same time.

God exists outside of our fish tank so to speak, and He can tweak or change things according to His purposes. However, even though God the Father exists in the realm eternal, He still has nearby and has full reach and depth into our existence through His Son, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. Furthermore, he can look and see everything, all at the same time and He has determined the length, breadth, width, height, and duration of our existence. Here are some Bible verses affirming the sovereignty of God’s universal rule:

Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done, Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,’ Isaiah 46:10

And He changes the times and the seasons; He removes kings and raises up kings; He gives wisdom to the wise And knowledge to those who have understanding Daniel 2:21

And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; Acts 17:26-27

“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Revelation 1:8

But for some reason, we live in a topsy-turvy, upside-down, bizarro-world. You’d think, given the demonstrated certainty of death and the brief nature of our present existence, we would be hyper-focused on the world to come and not on the chaotic, ever-changing world we see crumbling before our very eyes.

Assessment

And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever. 1 John 2:17

Life here on earth without God, is at best, elusive. We come into this world helpless, wholly dependent upon others, but naively thinking, this is the way it will always be. However, we grow, learn, and realize that we will not always have someone to hold our hand. We are expected to become increasingly independent and capable of doing things on our own.

As children, we let our imaginations run wild, thinking magic, fairies, and monsters exist, only to find out those things are real, but not at all as we imagined them to be. We are then thrust into a public education system that begins by ignoring the reality of God, and pummeling our senses with the government-approved propaganda stating we are nothing more than evolved, cosmic accidents with no rhyme or reason for existing.

Growing older, we learn to lower our expectations in people and situations, and we end up settling for the reality that if we are really lucky, we can find purpose and meaning in our life. We hold on to that until we realize that even purpose alone cannot satisfy the deep longings created by the complexity of the human soul. This sentiment was perhaps best expressed by the aged and gritty Rolling Stone philosopher who declared, I can’t get no satisfaction!

The life we currently live is as God declares, but a vapor; it is here today and gone tomorrow. Therefore, it is perplexing, to say the least, how much time people spend on their physical bodies now, which is in the very process of dying, and how little time people spend thinking about where they will go once their earthly existence comes to an end. The fact that we spend infinitely more time on the other side of that deathly vale than on this side of it, is the great lie people have bought into. The reality that people are so invested in their physical health that they will go to great lengths to extend their lives either medically or surgically, proves they don’t have a zeal for life, but rather, a tremendous fear of death.

The fear of death has been terrifying the unsaved for millennia. People of all cultures and ethnicities have gone on to create all sorts of elaborate rituals and schemes to obfuscate the reality of death or redefine the afterlife. The Vikings had Valhalla, to which they could only enter if they died heroically in battle. The Hindus taught reincarnation, in that death was not the end, only an endless cycle of death and rebirth. The Muslims believe in paradise and their arbitrary 72 virgins. Roman Catholicism teaches salvation through purgatory. Atheists believe in annihilationism. The Bible, however, declares that upon our last breath, and our last heartbeat, we enter into the realm eternal.

And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Hebrews 9:27-28

Seeing as how death has been sort of a permanent mainstay in human history, it would seem to lend credence to the second half of the passage. We live. We die. We are judged by God. For the unbeliever, there is no recycling, no raucous, beer-laden Valhalla, no virgin-filled paradise, and no self-flagellating purgatory. It’s one and done, and then eternal separation from their Creator. For the believer, we are judged at the Bema Judgment, and then we spend the rest of eternity with our Creator.

While many of us feel as though we have done dreadfully little on account of the Gospel which saved us (in comparison to what we receive in return), we continue to work, to witness, and to be the kind of people Christ called us to be. We do this even if we do not see the fruits of our labor or the worldly rewards in this life. To this point, the writer of Hebrews, detailing the life of the faithful patriarchs, concluded that-

These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For those who say such things declare plainly that they seek a homeland. And truly if they had called to mind that country from which they had come out, they would have had opportunity to return. But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them. Hebrews 12:13-16

Conclusion

Admittedly, the Christian life here is hard. I would venture to say that being a Christian in the 21st century is even harder, and why, so many are turning from the faith. G.K. Chesterton once said, the Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and left untried. Jesus promised us that in this life, we will have tribulation. He promised us that if we love Him more than the world, the world will hate us. In his epistles, the Apostle Paul taught us this world is not only, not our home, but is in fact, a battlefield. A battlefield in which we contend not with flesh and blood enemies, but dark, malevolent, and vicious spirits bent on only on our destruction.

While we take no personal trophies on our own accord, or in our own strength, we rest in the triumph Christ already wrought upon the cross some two thousand years ago. And though it seems like we are insignificant and unwanted in this world (we are), it is only a façade put on by our mortal enemy, Satan, who is still furious that in crucifying the Son of God, he sealed his own fate.

It is at that moment of death, in which, Satan has long delighted in taking those who have not yet claimed the free gift of salvation from Christ that separates our faith from any other. Paul writes that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord (2 Cor. 5:8). Instead of meeting sneering demons, who gleefully drag those poor souls into hell below, we know that at our own moment of death, we will be greeted by God’s holy angels, ready to escort us to our heavenly abode (Luke 16:22).

While in our flesh, we might delight in the much-deserved death of the wicked, God does not. He is longsuffering that all might come to salvation, and thus, has delayed Christ’s long-overdue victory lap all these centuries so that one more lost sheep might be brought back into the fold. Thus we contend with this fallen world, and are persecuted, discredited, censored, silenced, belittled, abused, and murdered as those who Christ describes in His parable of the Wedding Feast (Matt. 22).

Although God is longsuffering, His patience is not limitless. At some point (and we think soon), we will arrive at that fullness of times, when the full number of Gentiles are brought into the body of Christ (Rom. 11:25). It is at this point that even we, a generation of believers, will not taste even the bittersweet agony of death, but will instantly, put on immortality, and fly away to meet our loved ones and our Lord in the air (1 Thess. 4:13-18, 1 Cor. 15:51-56).

Lastly, while we don’t fully understand everything going on in the backdrop of our lives, we can trust in our God to be faithful (2 Tim. 2:13). He is faithful because it is His nature to be, and He has promised us that we can trust in His plan of redemption. Therefore, death is not the end for us, but the very beginning, of an infinite, and glorious future (Eph. 2:4-7).

Therefore we do not lose heart. Even though our outward man is perishing, yet the inward man is being renewed day by day. For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, is working for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory, while we do not look at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal. 2 Cor. 4:16-18


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1 posted on 10/11/2021 10:01:48 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: Roman_War_Criminal; Mrs.Z; ConjunctionJunction; Library Lady; patriot torch; Califreak; mlizzy; ...

End Times Ping

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Maranatha!


2 posted on 10/11/2021 10:02:42 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Look up!!


3 posted on 10/11/2021 10:05:44 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
The Bible, however, declares that upon our last breath, and our last heartbeat, we enter into the realm eternal. And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Hebrews 9:27-28

The bible says no such thing. And in fact it's heresy to presume that EVERYONE already has some type of eternal life or immortality already. The verse the author uses proves that WHEN Christ returns Christians will have eternal life. But NOBODY has eternal life right now except for Christ.

1Ti 6:16  who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen. 

So ONLY Christ is immortal right now.

Rom_6:23  For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

So again the gift of God, at the return of Christ, is eternal life. The most quoted verse in the bible again shows that THE GIFT of God is eternal life. Joh 3:16  For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 

This eternal life does NOT exist UNTIL God gives it. Without Christ the alternative is to perish....which means to be fully destroyed.

4 posted on 10/11/2021 10:16:01 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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Excellent!

Thanks for posting this.


5 posted on 10/11/2021 10:18:08 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith….)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

On one hand we seem to be focused on how we look: tattoos, hair color, piercings, and expensive tennis shoes, yet on the other hand many have body styles with all the appearance of gluttony. Tack on the emphasis on entertainment and acceptance, if not celebration, of deviant behavior, and God can’t be pleased.


6 posted on 10/11/2021 10:20:15 AM PDT by alternatives? (The only reason to have an army is to defend your borders,)
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To: metmom

Our age span is written into our DNA, and trying to extend that life span will only make old-looking people stay around longer, while they would be very unproductive during mos of that extended life.

Our minds want to live forever, but our bodies dictate different, and we can’t overcome our DNA directives.


7 posted on 10/11/2021 10:26:56 AM PDT by adorno
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Afterlife bump


8 posted on 10/11/2021 10:39:11 AM PDT by newfreep (“Leftism, under all of its brand names, is a severe, violent & evil mental disorder.”)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Will be 80 next year....already eat healthy...and exercise.


9 posted on 10/11/2021 10:43:28 AM PDT by spokeshave (We would be ahead by banning fossil fools, like Biden, Pelosi, Feinstein, Schumer, Leahy, etc.)
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To: DouglasKC

You are a real Biblical illiterate. The thief on the cross was told by Jesus that he would be in paradise that day. Time is what we are stuck with here on earth.


10 posted on 10/11/2021 10:44:38 AM PDT by 2Dreamin
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
Our physical bodies exist in a 'universal fishtank' of four variable reality. BUT we have a part of us that exists in a greater variable reality, as evidenced many places int he Bible. Take the thief on the cross next to Jesus: when that thief voiced belief in Jesus, asking Him to remeber him when He went to His Kingdom, Jesus responded by telling him that THAT day he would be with Jesus in Paradise.

If there was only the physical body and operating system of mind, emotions, and will, how would the thief be anywhere else? Well, the greater variable reality is real and each of us has a spuirit connected to that greater variability.

If born again, there is Life in that spirit and we can be with and experience The Lord, wherever He Is.

That aspect of everyone, the spirit, is designed to exist eternally, BUT God has given us the responsibility to choose in what state that eternity will be experienced. Jesus paid our sin debt so those who just believe, like the theif believed, will be with God in that eternity. Those who choose to not believe, well their location is also expressed in The Bible. And it is the most unpleasant existence imaginable.

So, choose each this day to believe or not. That is free will

11 posted on 10/11/2021 10:48:28 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

In this universe of impermanence
a moment can be an eternity
and eternity can end abruptly.
Why cling to ephemeral dreams
of reality.
Recognize the void as thine own intellect, blissful and shining.

Bardo Thodol


12 posted on 10/11/2021 10:49:19 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: DouglasKC

You are in grievous error. Everyone born from above by The SPirit of God has that Spirit abiding in their human spirit from the mkoment they truly believe: 1 John 3:9. Read the Bible and trust His abiolity to keep His Word true. Stop running on the assertions of men, men who seek empowerment thriough human assertions which contradict what God has said in His Word.


13 posted on 10/11/2021 11:02:11 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

I agree with the writer. Today’s generation are more concerned with their physical being which is temporal, than they are with their Spiritual being which is Eternal. This explains why many churches are nearly empty but gyms are flourishing. Its part of the falling away in these last days.

2 Timothy 4:4
King James Version
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

As noted in the following excerpts:

The Hindus taught reincarnation, in that death was not the end, only an endless cycle of death and rebirth. The Muslims believe in paradise and their arbitrary 72 virgins. Roman Catholicism teaches salvation through purgatory. Atheists believe in annihilationism. The Bible, however, declares that upon our last breath, and our last heartbeat, we enter into the realm eternal.

But we know the outcome:

Seeing as how death has been sort of a permanent mainstay in human history, it would seem to lend credence to the second half of the passage. We live. We die. We are judged by God. For the unbeliever, there is no recycling, no raucous, beer-laden Valhalla, no virgin-filled paradise, and no self-flagellating purgatory. It’s one and done, and then eternal separation from their Creator. For the believer, we are judged at the Bema Judgment, and then we spend the rest of eternity with our Creator.

Joshua 24:15
King James Version
15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.


14 posted on 10/11/2021 11:04:08 AM PDT by patriot torch
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To: tet68

Nonsense! Take another loo9k at the meaning of eternity. If it has an end popint it is not eternity. You aren’t going to get a pugatory chance ‘cause it doesn’t exist. Pope Gregory was not representing God The Father when he issued that muythos which so many believe will save them in the end.


15 posted on 10/11/2021 11:07:59 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: DouglasKC
But NOBODY has eternal life right now except for Christ.

Well, I'm normally not into "proof-texting" to make a theological point, but insofar as you asserted: "The bible says no such thing." I would offer this:

And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

1 John 5:11

I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

1 John 5:13

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

John 17:3

Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.

John 3:36

Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made your good confession in the presence of many witnesses.

1 Timothy 6:12

Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

John 5:24

* * *

One could go in this vein. I would propose that it is perfectly biblical to say that one who is in Christ at this moment has eternal life at this moment.

16 posted on 10/11/2021 11:17:58 AM PDT by DSH
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To: DouglasKC

Thanks for the clarification. Hang in there against the counter comments. It is interesting that many view the Rapture as ‘fire insurance’ that they have earned in some fashion. I have known many that have adopted the attitude that since ‘now I am saved, so I can do anything and it will be forgiven, and I will still get my eternal reward’ mentality. It is literally a license to do anything the flesh desires. Somehow, I do not think that this is the true intention. The reality, I believe that there will be many on judgement day who will say, but, but, but, didn’t I call on your name? And He will say, “21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day,”Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!”. Matthew 7 counters the argument very well, I think.


17 posted on 10/11/2021 11:32:49 AM PDT by silent majority rising
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Amen!


18 posted on 10/11/2021 11:50:43 AM PDT by Old Yeller (You can’t obey your way out of tyranny.)
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To: silent majority rising
Thanks for the clarification. Hang in there against the counter comments. It is interesting that many view the Rapture as ‘fire insurance’ that they have earned in some fashion.

Sounds like purgatory to me, as far as fire insurance. And The Church of Rome teaches “earning salvation”. Which is why they can never have assurance. Did I do enough?
19 posted on 10/11/2021 11:56:15 AM PDT by Old Yeller (You can’t obey your way out of tyranny.)
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To: silent majority rising

Wow, that’s a lot of strawmen to knock down.

You got a whole bunch of errant assumptions in one sentence.

Nobody thinks that the rapture is some kind of fire insurance. No one thinks they earn it. Nobody is claiming that once we’re saved it gives anyone license to sin with impunity.

Instead of falsely representing non-existent beliefs as mainstream, how about actually addressing some real issues?


20 posted on 10/11/2021 12:11:38 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith….)
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