[MHGinTN]

A seventh day adventist roars, trying to imply I am a liar because I will not endorse his cult mind effluent ... Admit it, cultist, you believe and have been trying for weeks at FR trying to convince Christians that if they don't keep your cult's favorite commandment regarding the sabath they will not be saved for eternity. Your cult demands grace PLUS works, just like most cults except this gardener cultist who claims you must have works continuing until you get saved at 'the judgment'.

Maybe we can arrange a dueling cults event where you and gardener and cronos duke it out for dominance for your chosen cult beliefs? we could make it pay-per-view with proceeds to Freerepublic!

[Philsworld]

we could make it pay-per-view with proceeds to Freerepublic!

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You could have your monkeys pass tin cups for donations as you grind your organ. Or, a DWTS spinoff.....DWTM (dancing with the monkeys). You could raise some serious cash.

[Philsworld]

A seventh day adventist roars, trying to imply I am a liar because I will not endorse his cult mind effluent ...

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I’m not implying anything. I’m referring to a statement in the bible by Jesus Christ Himself.

[Philsworld]

Your cult demands grace PLUS works, just like most cults except this gardener cultist who claims you must have works continuing until you get saved at ‘the judgment’.

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Gardener is correct about continued obedience and good works throughout one’s life. Gardener is ALSO correct that we will all be judged. I would add:

Romans 2:11For God does not show favoritism. 12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but it is the doers of the law who will be declared righteous.…

[Philsworld]

Admit it, cultist, you believe and have been trying for weeks at FR trying to convince Christians that if they don’t keep your cult’s favorite commandment regarding the sabath they will not be saved for eternity.

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For the record, I have no idea if a person will lose their salvation for consistently disobeying a direct commandment from God, week after week, month after month, year after year for their entire Christian life, when it is as plain as the tail on a Common long-tailed macaque (monkey), that God clearly commands us to keep it HOLY (I said holy for SouthernClaire’s benefit). That’s God’s decision in the judgment, not mine. But, I have my suspicions.

In the end, when the MOTB is enforced, IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ISSUE. The bible is crystal clear that those who receive the MOTB will certainly be lost. Is it just a matter of a day of worship? No. It’s about who’s authority is behind the day...the Creator’s or the Created.

[Cronos]

A cult is a limited time, esoteric group. Your pre tribulation rapture philosophy which is of the 19th century just like the Adventist philosophy, fits the bill of a cult.

Reading you pre tribulation rapture folks Duke it out with another 19th century philosophy cult is very engrossing.

[Seven_0]

I have debated doctrine with Seventh Day Adventist for years now. It is amazing how many verses have multiple interpretations. There is one thing though; they do not know what to do with Israel. Any evidence that modern day Israel is part of bible prophecy must not be tolerated. They would destroy men like J. N. Darby or C. I. Scofield because of what they taught. Their doctrine is based on the same Bible we have today and the fact that Israel exist is evidence that these men are right. Their extensive writing outlines their arguments and you can follow them today. The fact that some of their conclusions were relatively new should not be a problem since the bible is still full of things yet to be discovered. Something that should be expected in a book written by the creator of all things. The sum of the effort of all of the men in history has not exhausted the treasure that the Bible contains.

Israel did not exist when the SDA was founded and they usurped some of the promises concerning Israel including blindness.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

The entire SDA doctrine will stand or fall on this issue since this error is connected to the rest of the errors they have made. For instance, they believe that they are the 144,000 in Revelation 7 and 14. It follows that they cannot accept a Pre-tribulation rapture since the 144,000 are still here in the tribulation.

The Pre-tribulation rapture requires that the 144,000 sealed servants remain in unbelief until after the rapture otherwise they would be taken. (So far, so good on this one.) This is why people like Ironside predicted that certain prophecies could not happen until the Jews returned to their land in unbelief. (Circa 1920’s)

The SDA also had a problem when their denomination exceeded 144,000 members so they converted 144,000 from literal to symbolic. God’s symbols are designed to be both symbolic and literal. There will be 12,000 from each of twelve of the tribes of Israel.

Just before the harvest the wheat will bow down and the tares will stand tall. You will be able to discern the difference between the wheat and the tares. The day will declare it

I don't offer proof, just evidence. Watch Israel.