This is the Christian Trinity.
Do you reject it as well as Iscool?
Posted on 03/18/2021 3:40:30 PM PDT by JAG 5000
The Romans Road is an oldie-goldie gospel tract that has been around for decades.
I mail 'em out to people at random {amazon has them}
This tract is called The Romans Road because all the Bible verses are taken from the New Testament book of Romans and there are 6 of them and they say this:
{1} Everyone Needs Salvation --Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
{2} Jesus Died For Our Salvation -- Romans 5:8 "God demonstrates His love towards us, in that, while we were sinners, Christ died for us."
{3} Salvation Is A Gift -- Romans 6:23 "The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
{4} We Are Saved By Grace -- Romans 11:6 "and if by grace, then it is no longer of works: otherwise grace is no longer grace.
{5} Salvation Comes Through Faith -- Romans 4:5 "To him who ... believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness."
{6} God Saves All Who Call Upon Him. -- Romans 10:13 "whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved."
So?
So pray this simple prayer from the heart:
"Dear Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner, and I ask for Your forgiveness. I believe You died for my sins
and rose from the dead. I turn from my sins and invite You to come into my heart and life. I want to trust
and follow You as my Lord and Savior. In Your Name. Amen." __from the Billy Graham Crusades
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"If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead,
you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that
you profess your faith and are saved." ___The Apostle Paul Romans 10:9-10
JAG
Why don’t you study up on those things and then comment???
I did. Maybe you missed it?
Christians right from the Apostles to the 19th century have seen no such thing as dispensationalism.
You are just not able to see that the church is the New Israel composed of jew and gentile origin.
John 12:20-33
Jesus Foretells His Glorification (Continuation)
Jesus brought Greek and Jew together in the new Israel called the Church.
There is no such separation of “Church age” and non-church age. The dispensationalist myth is just that, a myth.
Cronos, I agree with this entire post 100%. You are spot on.
That’s a lie, Iscool.
It is rich that you, a person who rejects the Trinity says anything about Christianity.
Why do you deny the Trinity, calling it “The Catholic Trinity”?
Why? LOL, because the Catholic ORG trinity has a third available for hocus pocus priests to physically feed the flesh of the Catholic ORG Jesus to the adherents of that other religion. The Trinity a Christian believe in does not have God being fed into the alimentary tract for expulsion in the draught. The Catholic ORG trinity is a fabrication from hell meant to mock God. Own it, Catholic.
Let’s see, the “Catholic” Trinity is
The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
If you reject the Trinity, that puts you as a non-trinitarian who rejects the Christian God.
Among those who went up to worship at the festival were some Greeks. These approached Philip, who came from Bethsaida in Galilee, and put this request to him, ‘Sir, we should like to see Jesus.’ Philip went to tell Andrew, and Andrew and Philip together went to tell Jesus. Jesus replied to them:he arrival of the Gentiles fulfills the prophecy about the Messiah wherein He would gather the nations unto himself as one family.
‘Now the hour has come
for the Son of Man to be glorified.
I come to gather nation of every language; they shall come and see my glory. just as the Israelites bring their offering to the house of the Lord in clean vessels. Some of these I will take as priests and Levites says the Lord….All mankind shall come to worship before me says the Lord. (Is 66:18, 23)MAAG - do you see that "some of these gentiles the Lord will take as priests and Levites"? This is the joining of the gentiles to the greater Israel -- we Christians ARE the extension of Israel which includes those of Jewish and of gentile origin
and
And the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD, to minister to him, to love the name of the LORD, and to be his servants, every one who keeps the Sabbath, and does not profane it, and holds fast my covenant– these I will bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer; their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples. (Is 56:6-7)"foreigners who join themselves to the Lord" -- and "my house a house of prayer for all peoples" -->
Dispensationalism is proven FALSE in this
No, but you tried. Rejecting the Catholic ORG trinity is not rejecting God in three persons. We Christians just reject the ORG trinity because your religion has made a third of the trinity an edible confection available through the hocus pocus magic your religion pushes.
To which you replied basically "blah,blah,"
To which I pointed out that Let’s see, the “Catholic” Trinity is
The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
If you reject the Trinity, that puts you as a non-trinitarian who rejects the Christian God.
So the Trinity of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit according to you MHG, is false?
This is the Christian Trinity.
Do you reject it as well as Iscool?
Caution advised for post 127 in which Scripture has been mauled and manipulated. In truth it reads:
Final Judgment and Glory of the Lord
Isa 66:15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
Isa 66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
Isa 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine’s flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
Isa 66:18 For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.
Isa 66:19 And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.
Isa 66:20 And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD.
Isa 66:21 And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the LORD.
Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
Isa 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
There are three Greek words
| Matt 27:50 But Jesus cried out again (Palon) in a loud voice, and gave up his spirit. |
Matt 27:51 51 And behold, the veil of the sanctuary was torn in two from top (Anthon) to bottom. 31 The earth quaked, rocks were split, and Mark 15:38 16 The veil of the sanctuary was torn in two from top (above anthon) to bottom. |
| Luke 1:3 I too have decided, after investigating everything accurately anew (From their source anthon), to write it down in an orderly sequence for you, most excellent Theophilus, |
| Then in John 3: 3 Jesus answered and said to him, Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born 3 from above (Anthon). John 3: 4 Nicodemus said to him, How can a person once grown old be born again (duetron secondly)? Surely he cannot reenter his mothers womb and be born again, can he? |
| John 3:31 The one who comes from above (Anthon) is above (Anthon) all. The one who is of the earth is earthly and speaks of earthly things. But the one who comes from heaven (is above all). John 19:11 Jesus answered (him), You would have no power over me if it had not been given to you from above (Anthon). For this reason the one who handed me over to you has the greater sin. John 19:23 When the soldiers had crucified Jesus, they took his clothes and divided them into four shares, a share for each soldier. They also took his tunic, but the tunic was seamless, woven in one piece from the top (Anthon) down. Acts 26:5 They have known about me from the start (Anthon) From the first), if they are willing to testify, that I have lived my life as a Pharisee, the strictest party of our religion. Galatians 4:9 but now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again (Palon) Untranslated word Anthon (anew) to the weak and destitute elemental powers? Do you want to be slaves to them all over again (Palon)? James 1: 17 all good giving and every perfect gift 9 is from above (Anthon), coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no alteration or shadow caused by change. James 3: 15 Wisdom of this kind does not come down from above (Anthon) but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. James 3: 17 But the wisdom from above (Anthon) is first of all pure, then peaceable, gentle, compliant, full of mercy and good fruits, without inconstancy or insincerity. All 12 verses with the Greek Translation Matt 27:50 But Jesus cried out again (Palon) in a loud voice, and gave up his spirit.(Jesus did not cry out from above, he cried out a second time) Mat 27:50 o de ihsouv palin kraxav fwnh megalh afhken to pneuma Matt 27:51 And behold, the veil of the sanctuary was torn in two from top (Anothon) to bottom. 31 The earth quaked, rocks were split,(The veil was not torn again it was torn from top to bottom) Mat 27:51 kai idou to katapetasma tou naou esxisqh ap eiv duo apo anwqen ewv katw eiv duo kai h gh eseisqh kai ai petrai esxisqhsan Mark 15:38 16 The veil of the sanctuary was torn in two from top (above Anothon)to bottom. Mar 15:38 kai to katapetasma tou naou esxisqh eiv duo ap apo anwqen ewv katw Luke 1:3 I too have decided, after investigating everything accurately anew (From their source Anothon), to write it down in an orderly sequence for you, most excellent Theophilus,(This is the only verse that you could conceivably substitute Again, but the colloquial From their source makes better sense) Luk 1:3 edoxe edoxen kamoi parhkolouqhkoti anwqen pasin akribwv kaqexhv soi grayai kratiste qeofile John 3: 3 Jesus answered and said to him, Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born from above (Anothon).(Verse in contention, no comment required) Joh 3:3 apekriqh o ihsouv kai eipen autw amhn amhn legw soi ean mh tiv gennhqh anwqen ou dunatai idein thn basileian tou qeou John 3: 4 Nicodemus said to him, How can a person once grown old be born again (duetron secondly)? Surely he cannot reenter his mothers womb and be born again, can he? (Here is where the Prots really put their foot in it). Nicodemus never says again (Palon) he says Secondly (Deuteron) Joh 3:4 legei prov auton o o nikodhmov pwv dunatai anqrwpov gennhqhnai gerwn wn mh dunatai eiv thn koilian thv mhtrov autou deuteron eiselqein kai gennhqhnai John 3:31 15 The one who comes from above (Anothon) is above (Apanow) all. The one who is of the earth is earthly and speaks of earthly things. But the one who comes from heaven (is above all).Those that come again are again all, Makes no sense at all. Joh 3:31 o anwqen erxomenov epanw pantwn estin o wn ek thv ghv ek thv ghv estin kai ek thv ghv lalei o ek tou ouranou erxomenov epanw epanw pantwn estin estin John 19:11 Jesus answered (him), You would have no power over me if it had not been given to you from above (Anothon). For this reason the one who handed me over to you has the greater sin. (Pilate was not given power again, he was given it from above, God allowed him to have power) Joh 19:11 apekriqh autw o ihsouv ouk eixev exousian oudemian kat emou oudemian ei mh hn soi dedomenon soi anwqen dia touto o paradouv paradidouv me soi meizona amartian exei John 19:23 When the soldiers had crucified Jesus, they took his clothes and divided them into four shares, a share for each soldier. They also took his tunic, but the tunic was seamless, woven in one piece from the top (Anothon) down. (The tunic was not woven again, it was woven from the top down) Joh 19:23 oi oun stratiwtai ote estaurwsan ton ihsoun elabon ta imatia autou kai epoihsan tessara merh ekastw stratiwth merov kai ton xitwna hn de o xitwn arafov arrafov ek twn anwqen ufantov di olou Acts 26:5 They have known about me from the start (Anothon, From the first), if they are willing to testify, that I have lived my life as a Pharisee, the strictest party of our religion. (They did not know about Paul again they new about him from the beginning) Act 26:5 proginwskontev me anwqen ean qelwsi qelwsin marturein oti kata thn akribestathn airesin thv hmeterav qrhskeiav ezhsa farisaiov Galatians 4:9 but now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again (Palon) Untranslated word Anothon (anew) to the weak and destitute elemental powers? Do you want to be slaves to them all over again (Palon)? (The phrase from above clearly does not fit here) Gal 4:9 nun de gnontev qeon mallon de gnwsqentev upo qeou pwv epistrefete palin epi ta asqenh kai ptwxa stoixeia oiv palin anwqen douleuein qelete James 1:17 all good giving and every perfect gift is from above (Anothon), coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no alteration or shadow caused by change. (Is the gift coming again, no it is coming from God, who is From above) Jas 1:17 pasa dosiv agaqh kai pan dwrhma teleion anwqen estin katabainon apo tou patrov twn fwtwn par w ouk eni parallagh h trophv aposkiasma James 3:15 Wisdom of this kind does not come down from above (Anothon) but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. (See Previous) Jas 3:15 ouk estin auth h sofia anwqen katerxomenh alla all epigeiov yuxikh daimoniwdhv James 3:17 But the wisdom from above (Anothon) is first of all pure, then peaceable, gentle, compliant, full of mercy and good fruits, without inconstancy or insincerity. (Again the wisdom is from above, not again) Jas 3:17 h de anwqen sofia prwton men agnh estin epeita eirhnikh epieikhv eupeiqhv mesth eleouv kai karpwn agaqwn adiakritov kai anupokritov Conclusion: The only reasonable definition of the word Anthon is From above/ from the source or beginning. There is a perfectly good word for again but, neither Nicodemus, or Jesus use that word, instead Nicodemus uses Deuteron. |
yada yada yada ... Jesus answered this with His pronouncement regarding a man must be born of water AND the spirit. The first is the water of physical birth; the second is virth from above via the spirit. Your religion claims you can earn the second and must be responsible to keep it if you get it before purgatory. Your ORG is a false religion.
mhg You are claiming that Jesus made salvation conditional.
r2nd Of course salvation is conditional. You either except God’s grace or you don’t. You either believe or you don’t. You and I might disagree on the basic fundamental doctrine that baptism is necessary. But you cannot argue that salvation is unconditional.
MHG: Do you not see that you have conflated the spiritual, believe with your will, and a physical deed? You are deceived.
R2nd Any physical act?
You mean like confessing with your mouth that Jesus is Lord?
Are you trying to tell me that is NOT necessary to be saved?
God’s Grace is free. But if you don’t accept it - you are lost.
MHG: So you want some of the glory due ONLY to Jesus. See how far that goat can run.
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MHG - your last statement is utterly false - Responsibility2nd did not in any way say he wanted or deserved or would get the glory due only to Jesus. He never said he could save himself. Instead R2nd repeated that he is saved due to the grace of God.
Not yada, yada - and no one says you “earn” the above — just like your statements to R2nd, you are making up what other people believe
Add anything to the work Jesus has already accomplished and you are denying salvation is 100% by faith alone in Christ alone. Dance around that trying to add anything and you are teaching a false doctrine. Your ORG adds much more than just physical baptism as a requirement to have eternal Life by God’s Grace. In your carnal mindness you are incapable of discerning.
you are putting your faith in Christ. Yes, that is under the grace of God, but your will is doing that.
Sorry, you’re no better at fabricating gotchas than Philsworld. Your carnal inability to discern physical from spiritual is duly noted.
And MHG, look at what Jesus Himself says saves you IN ADDITION to faith
Endurance in believing in Christ — Matthew 10:22
... whoever endures to the end will be saved.
Matthew 24:13
But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.
(this above negates Once Saved Always Saved)
and also regarding
Baptism - 1 Peter 3:21
This prefigured baptism, which saves you now.
and
John 6: 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him may have eternal life,
John 6:54 Whoever eats[s] my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.
Repent, believe, eat of His body and endure to the end.
Jesus said it clearly - “and”, “and”. You are saved by grace that works through you in works such as your faith, your repentance etc.
These are the words from Jesus
Matthew 3:8
Produce good fruit as evidence of your repentance.
Matthew 10:22
... whoever endures to the end will be saved.
Matthew 24:13
But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.
Mark 6
12 So they went off and preached repentance
Mark 1:15
“This is the time of fulfillment. The kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.”
John 6: 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him may have eternal life,
John 6:54 Whoever eats[s] my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.
Do you do what HE says?
These are the words of Christ which should “get you”, but evidently you don’t believe in what Jesus said.
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