Posted on 01/02/2021 6:05:47 PM PST by ebb tide
This Sunday, January 3, 2021, is the 500th anniversary of the excommunication of Martin Luther as a heretic and schismatic – the greatest damage ever done to the Holy Catholic Church. He died unrepentant, without the sacraments and outside the One True Church.
Yes, Pope Leo X, who issued the excommunication decree and the previous Exsurge Domine warning (6/15/1520) to Luther, had a mixed record of papal righteousness – but in this event he is nearly unsurpassed and fairly vindicated.
In this writer's view, these documents are two of the most formidable, necessary and courageous decrees emanating from the Chair of Peter, defending the Holy Roman Catholic Church from doctrinal attack. They were subsequently, fully upheld by the Council of Trent – also one of the greatest Councils in Church history – to which we owe very much, especially on the Eucharist!
We still face great danger. With Luther, there was no warning, just 95 absurd theses appearing out of thin air.
Here today, we had a warning in 1917 at Fatima. “Russia will spread her errors throughout the world,” did Our Lady alert the three children and us Catholics.
We feel these effects today – a far more serious warning than Luther. In full deference to Our Lady and the Most Holy Trinity – it is extremely doubtful (despite assertions to the contrary) that the full, correct Consecration to Russia was done; or that the decisive 3rd Secret text was totally revealed.
The errors, it is said, will lead to “The Great Apostasy.” There seems no appetite in the Vatican, at any level, to humbly accept and remedy those grave errors. Rather, a desire to hurtle into the future with Pachamama; Amazon Culture; ecology; and global secular solutions – as moral virtue is completely ignored and vocations and faithful Catholics disappear at record speeds.
Will the Church (and our Country) continue its decline? Will we still continue to receive God’s Divine Mercy and Graces? Are we due for a severe Divine Chastisement?
I am not going to advance an opinion here – only to charitably say, we would all do well to place our own souls in a state of grace, and urge our families, friends and others to do the same.
And Pray. God is very good.
The Catholic Church has many problems; they started when one of It’s first bishops (Judas Iscariot) betrayed the Son of God - and several Popes have been very un-Christian.
It is still one of the last bastions defending marriage as outlined by Christ Himself (opposed to divorce/remarriage), human life from conception to natural death, the male clergy as chosen by Christ Himself (apparently some “Christians” believe He was sexist, though He knew full well 2,000 years ago we’d be typing these very discussions at these very moments), and opposing homosexual acts as sinful. Branches of various Protestant denominations will have similar positions, but they aren’t accepted throughout the whole denomination itself.
The Catholic Church in the West is bleeding members because too many in the leadership have gone the way of Protestants (including Lutherans) on those core issues, though they remain official positions of the Church.
Catholic means “universal”; it doesn’t get broader than that.
Still waiting for you to back up...
Again, you profess that the Catholic faith was not established by Jesus Christ in the Catholic Church and will continue to be with His Catholic Church “ I am with you always, to the close of the age.” The risen Christ’s ongoing presence in the Catholic Church is both ecclesial (Mt 18:20) and eucharistic (Mt 26:26-28) Instead you mock Catholic beliefs as revealed by God, and then follow the false beliefs as proposed by man. And your lack of faith does not accept many of God’s revealed truths.
Many of you have left the practice of the Catholic faith to follow man made theories by Luther and others. One does not have faith in God by rejecting His revealed Truths.
Each of us has a responsibility to seek God’s Truth and follow Christ and not the ways of the world. Jesus spoke in parables because many hear but do not understand Mt 13:13 mt 15:10-20
It is not a heresy to pray and ask for the intercession of the Blessed Mother of God and her son Jesus (God).
MEMORARE
REMEMBER, O most gracious Virgin Mary, that never was it known that anyone who fled to thy protection, implored thy help, or sought thy intercession was left unaided. Inspired with this confidence, I fly to thee, O Virgin of virgins, my Mother; to thee do I come; before thee I stand, sinful and sorrowful. O Mother of the Word Incarnate, despise not my petitions, but in thy mercy hear and answer me. Amen.
By what authority do former catholics proclaim heresies, when they are rejecting the Church and the Eucharist that Jesus established?
Your reference to Jezebel doesn’t make any sense. Are you reading the false anti-catholic literature? Jezebel suffered a horrible death (II Kings 9:30-37). Her name is used to symbolize wickedness.
Why the hell do partisan religious fanatics continue to flame the hatred of fellow Christians??????
What contributed MOST to the unfortunate split in Christianity was the incredible corruption and greed of the late Medieval Papacy.
Popes who abused indulgences by selling tickets to salvation
Yada yada. Again you seem ignorant of the fact that your Catholic propaganda has being refuted again and again and rather than interacting with such then you simply continue to assert Catholic claims as if that was an argument. As comforting as your propaganda may be to Catholics who can only wish that such was what the Scripture teaches, the reality is that such parroting is like that of a cult member who is compelled to blindly defend his cult since that is the object of his or her faith. Meaning that you are actually effectively continuing to provide an argument against being a Catholic, but which also has been the case when you actually tried to interact with what refutes you.
Really? To substantiate that PTCBIH (prayer to created beings in Heaven) is Scriptural, one needs to, from the Bible (and basically in order of importance)
1 | Provide just one example, among the multitude of prayers in the Bible, where anyone besides heathen (Jer. 44:19) prayed to or addressed anyone else in heaven but the Lord.* | Example, descriptions, instructions. See Bible prayers here Gen. 15:2; 17:18; 18:23; 18:23-32; 24:12-14; 32:9-12; Ex. 25:22; 32:11-13; 33:12-19; Num. 6:23-26; 10:35-36; 11:11-16; 12:13-14; 14:13-19; 27:15-18; Dt. 3:23-25; 9:25; 9:26-29; 21:7-9; 26:5-10; Josh. 7:7-9; Jdg 6:13; 6:15; 6:15-17; 6:36-37; 6:39; 13:8; 16:8; 1Ki. 3:5-61; 17:20-21; 18:25-26; 18:27-37; 19:4; 2Chr. 6:40; 14:11; 20:6-12; 30:18-19; Neh. 1:4,5; 1:4-11; 4:4-5; 9:5-38; Ps. 4:1; 5:3; 6:9; 17:1; 35:13; 39:12; 42:8; 54:2; 55:1; 61:1; 64:1; 65:2; 66:19,20; 69:13; 72:15; 80:4; 84:8; 86:1,6; 86:6; 88:2,13; 90:1; 102:1,17; 109:4,7; 141:2,5; 142:1; 143:1; Prov. 15:8,29; 28:8; Mat. 6:9-13; 11:25-27; 17:21; 21:22; 26:39; Lk. 1:9,13; 6:12; 18:10-13; 19:46; 23:30; 23:34; 23:46; Jn.11:41-42; 17:1-22; 17:1-26; Acts 1:14,24-25; 3:1; 6:4; 9:6; 10:2,31; 12:5; 16:13,16; Heb. 2:18; 4:15,16; 7:25; 10:19-22; 13:20-21; Rev. 6:16-16; 22:2022:20 |
2 | Provide one place where exhortations, commands or instruction or descriptions on prayer directed believers to pray to departed saints or angels. ("i.e. "After this manner pray, Our mother, who art in heaven...").. | |
3 | Show where any insufficiency exists in Christ regarding immediacy, ability, or compassion that would require or advantage another intercessor in heaven between Christ and man, besides the Holy Spirit. (Ex. 25:22; Eph. 2:18; Heb. 2:18; 4:15,16; 7:25; 10:19-22; etc.) | |
4 | Show where believers in Christ do not have direct access to God in heaven, that having “boldness to enter into the holiest” (Heb. 10:19) means one may choose to meet a type of secretary rather than in Christ directly having access by one Spirit unto the Father.** (Eph. 2:18) | |
5 | Show where departed souls in heaven are taking prayer requests addressed to them. | |
6 | Show where the departed are given the Divine attribute of omniscience, so they can hear and process an infinite amount of prayer. (Ps. 65:2; 139:4; Prov. 15:3) | |
7 | Provide where any communication between believers on earth and heavenly beings besides God took place apart from a personal visitation, either by men being caught up to heaven or by angels coming to earth. (Jdg. 13; Mk. 9:2-9; Rev. 4:1ff;) | |
8 | Show where anyone else is called "Queen of heaven" other than Jer 44:17 (“But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven”), who was a heavenly object of devotion and prayer. | |
9 | If believers can pray to the departed saints for help in their Christian life, then show why they cannot call upon saints for salvation, and where the Bible supports that. | |
10 | Show where another basic necessary practice has zero positive examples and is contrary to any actual need.*** | |
"O thou that hearest prayer, unto thee shall all flesh come." (Psalms 65:2) "Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. {15} For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. {16} Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need." (Hebrews 4:14-16) "Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, {20} By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; {21} And having an high priest over the house of God; {22} Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water." (Hebrews 10:19-22) "And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. " (Galatians 4:6) | ||
*That is, the Father and the Son. It is clear that souls did call upon Jesus in prayer, (Acts 7:59; 1Cor. 1:2; 2Cor. 12:8; Rm. 10:13) as only He is the mediator between God and man, (1Tim. 2:5) that being uniquely His honor and ability, and is Lord of all, (Acts 10:36) and to pray to the Lord Jesus is to pray to the Father, as through Christ (by His blood) we have access by His Spirit to the Father. (Eph. 2:18) Praying to the Holy Spirit is not recorded, as it is He who effects prayer, and cries to the Father, (Gal. 4:6) not a “mother.” The Spirit can impress upon others to pray, but only Divinity is the direct object of spiritual intercession. **Some try to use Rev. 5:8 and 8:3,4 to support praying to the departed, but this does not signify angelic intercession on behalf of saints awaiting to be hear by God, but in the first instance refers to prayers as a pleasing sacrifice, which Christ Himself was, “as an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.” (Eph. 5:2) In the second, incense is offered with their prayers as a memorial sense, and which testifies to the wickedness of the earth, and which prayers affirms its judgment which the text goes on to describe. (cf. Rev. 6:10) ***It is argued that PTCBIH is not forbidden, yet necromancy is. And while there is no express command against consensual cannibalism (whoever dies first we will have for dinner), its basic prohibition is justly derived from Gn. 9:3,5,6 which establishes the source of man's food. Yet is it true that in keeping with the foundational law of love, in dire circumstance of necessity it might be allowed (and with the Andes survivors). However, the Scriptures not only exhort and example prayers to the Lord alone as regards a heavenly object, but clearly established Christ as being the all-sufficient intercessor, both in terms of ability and accessibility. REMEMBER, O most gracious Virgin Mary...I fly to thee, O Virgin of virgins, my Mother; to thee do I come; before thee I stand, sinful and sorrowful. O Mother of the Word Incarnate, despise not my petitions, but in thy mercy hear and answer me. Amen. One would have a hard time in Bible times explaining kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, even with adulation, attributes, glory and titles never given in Scripture to created beings (except to false gods), including having the uniquely Divine power glory to hear and respond to virtually infinite numbers of prayers addressed to them, and beseeching such for Heavenly help, and making offerings to them. Which would constitute worship in Scripture, yet Catholics imagine by playing word games they avoid crossing the invisible line between mere "veneration" and worship. Instead they should do what Mary and every believer in every prayer to Heaven did (and I should do more of), which was to pray directly to the Lord, not secretaries. But they must truly become born again for that. Moses, put down those rocks! I was only engaging in hyper dulia, not adoring her. Can't you tell the difference?
By what authority do former catholics proclaim heresies, when they are rejecting the Church and the Eucharist that Jesus established? By what authority, besides Scriptural substantiation in word and in power showing this was from God, did prophets - including a certain Itinerant Preacher from Galilee - have seeing that such were rejected by the then valid historical magisterium which sat in the seat of Moses? But the common people rightly discerned that such were of God. But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses. And they come again to Jerusalem: and as he was walking in the temple, there come to him the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders, And say unto him, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority to do these things? And Jesus answered and said unto them, I will also ask of you one question, and answer me, and I will tell you by what authority I do these things. The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men? answer me. And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say, Why then did ye not believe him? But if we shall say, Of men; they feared the people: for all men counted John, that he was a prophet indeed. And they answered and said unto Jesus, We cannot tell. And Jesus answering saith unto them, Neither do I tell you by what authority I do these things. (Mark 11:26-33) Then came the officers to the chief priests and Pharisees; and they said unto them, Why have ye not brought him? The officers answered, Never man spake like this man. Then answered them the Pharisees, Are ye also deceived? Have any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed on him? But this people who knoweth not the law are cursed. (John 7:45-49) According to Catholic reasoning first century souls should have submitted to the judgment of the valid historical magisterium as concerns that authority of men such as John the baptizer and Jesus of Nazareth. Meaning you have just invalidated the NT church. | ||
Many of you continue to practice the Catholic faith; following Traditions made by popes and apparitional pronouncements.
If one continues along this path; enjoy the company of others doing the same.
Are you serious? Who started Lutheranism? The Pope?
Luther died with sacrements and he was repentant of his sin. Anyone who puts any church leader or church organization above the Redeemer (or equal to) needs to REPENT. Jesus loves me, This I know, for the Bible tells me so.
Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]
Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.
Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy
Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy
Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]
Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]
Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4]
Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.
What contributed MOST to the unfortunate split in Christianity was...the heresiarch, Martin Luther.
Are you serious? Who started Lutheranism? The Pope?
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Yes.
“It is not a heresy to pray and ask for the intercession of the Blessed Mother of God and her son Jesus (God).”
If you truly knew the living GOD and His Son Jesus you wouldn’t pray to a dead mortal. GOD proclaims to you and your church through His eternal Word that you are not saved.
Isaiah 8:19
When they say to you, “Consult the mediums and the spiritists who whisper and mutter,”
should not a people consult their God? Should they consult the dead on behalf of the living?
Isaiah 19:3
3“Then the spirit of the Egyptians will be demoralized within them;
And I will confound their strategy,
So that they will resort to idols and ghosts of the dead
And to mediums and spiritists.
Deuteronomy 18:9-11
9“When you enter the land which the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not learn to imitate the detestable things of those nations. 10There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, a soothsayer, one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who consults the dead.
“Your reference to Jezebel doesn’t make any sense.”
That wasn’t Mary, mother of Jesus that told you to offer pagan worship and service to her. It was a demon just as Paul warned would happen. Paul couldn’t have been more clear in Gal 1:8 and 2 Corinthians 11:14 that demons can fool us by sight and words and that our only reliable source for testing what is true and righteous is GOD’s Word, 2 Timothy 3:16
You Romans have made Mary’s name into Jezebel who has led billions of people to hell for their false worship and service to Satan. Read Revelation 2:22-23 because this is your fate for following Jezebel the false mary.
ADSUM and other Romans you are not fighting against us Prots you are fighting the clear and easy to read and study Word of GOD.
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