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Salvation is a free gift of God! You can have confidence you are saved.
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Posted on 10/09/2020 6:01:41 AM PDT by Teleios Research

Be convinced with these 4 biblical truths: 1. Each of us has sinned; 2. God is just, requiring a punishment for sin; 3. But out of love God sent His Son, Jesus Christ who by dying on the cross, provided forgiveness of sins in taking man’s deserved punishment; 4. Therefore, by faith alone in Christ’s sacrifice for our sins and belief in His resurrection, man can gain eternal life. (Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 10:9-10, Romans 3:21-26) Read more at https://teleiosresearch.com/salvation-explanation/.


TOPICS: Apologetics; General Discusssion; Theology
KEYWORDS: anothercrapblog; christianity; faith; falsedoctrine; gospel; salvation
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To: metmom

Paul was not saved while on that road to Damascus. While on the road the Lord told Paul to “go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do.” Acts 22:6. In Damascus Paul was to meet with Ananias Acts 9:11 who would tell Paul “what he must do” Acts 9:6. Ananias commanded Paul “arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord” Acts 22:16.

So Paul could not be saved while on the road to Damascus because he was still lost in his sins and remained so until he obeyed God’s command to be baptized ans wash away his sins.

Faith alone, that is faith void of obedient works a repentance confession and baptism cannot save, cannot justify.

Again, we each are either obeying God’s will or disobeying. Nowhere ever does God justify those that do not obey Him.

You are trying to put the cart before the horse, that is, put salvation BEFORE obedience when the Bible puts obedience BEFORE receiving God’s free gift. One must FIRST met the condition THEN one receives the free gift. As Naaman FIRST obeyed by dipping THEN he received the free gift of healing. He was not first healed THEN obeyed.


221 posted on 10/14/2020 9:55:37 AM PDT by Oneanddone
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To: Oneanddone

I don’t expect you to see it.

If you don’t like the definition God gave us, there’s not much one can do for you.

Reject God at your own peril.


222 posted on 10/14/2020 9:57:55 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Oneanddone

A condition for a free gift.

PFFFHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Can’t decide if whoever came up with that canard is oxymoron or just moron.


223 posted on 10/14/2020 10:02:15 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: boatbums

Does the idea of “faith only” deny that one must FIRST obey BEFORE one can be saved or not? Obedience BEFORE justification?


224 posted on 10/14/2020 10:08:51 AM PDT by Oneanddone
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To: metmom

I gave verses that show faith is a work. Heb 11:1 does not say “faith is not a work”. You read your ideas into the verse.


225 posted on 10/14/2020 10:10:34 AM PDT by Oneanddone
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To: Oneanddone; boatbums

I find it amusing that you outright ignore so much of the Scripture that boatbums and others posted that contradicts you.

Ignoring it won’t make it go away.


226 posted on 10/14/2020 10:11:19 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: Luircin

Faith only blinds people to the simple facts that free gifts can and sometimes do come with conditions and meeting the condition does not in anyway earn the free gift.

I gave the example of Naaman. God did not own Naaman anything so it was by grace God would offer to Naaman the free gift of healing ON THE CONDITION Namman first go and dip 7 times in the river. Obey FIRST and THEN receive the free gift. NOTHING earned here by Naaman.

Would you like more examples?

You cannot “PFFFHAHAHAHAHAHA” away facts and reality.


227 posted on 10/14/2020 10:15:57 AM PDT by Oneanddone
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To: boatbums

You are taking one verse Romans 4:5 OUT OF CONTEXT and ASSUME Paul is eliminating all works of all kinds from salvation.

First, Paul does not contradict himself going from Rom 4 to Rom 6. In Rom 6 Paul put obedience BEFORE salvation/justification, Rom 6:16-17. Furthermore Paul and James do not contradict each other, James plainly shows that obedient works justify.

Paul——obey from the heart>>>>>>>>>>justified/freed from sin
James-——works>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>justify

So Paul and James are in 100% agreement that obedient works do justify.


If you examine the first 4 chapters of Romans, and not pull one verse out of context, you will find NOWHERE did Paul ever eliminate obedience from being justified. The only work Paul shows in Rom chapters 1-4 that does not justify was the perfect flawless works the OT law of Moses required.

Note in Romans chapters 1 and 2 Paul shows that all, both Jew and Gentile have sinned therefore are under sin. All those under sin (Jews and Gentiles) are need of justification.

Note in the pivotal chapter of Romans 3. Paul starts this chapter by telling us what does NOT justify those under sin (the OT law of Moses) and spends the last part of Roman 3 telling what does justify those under sin (faith).

Paul begins chapter 3 talking about how the Jews were given the oracles of God, that is were given the OT law of Moses. That OT law provided the Jews many advantages over the Gentiles.
Yet one thing that OT law could not do for the Jew was justify the Jew. That OT law required the strict work of perfect, flawless law keeping to be justified which none of the Jews could do. Leading Paul to declare in Gal 3:11 that “no man is justified by the law in the sight of God.” This is why in Rom 3:9 that the Jews, though they had the OT, were no better than the Gentiles for BOTH Jew and Gentile are under sin.

Paul closes chapter 3 by showing faith justifies, he did not say faith alone justifies. So the only work in the context that Paul does eliminate from justification are the perfect works required by the OT law and did NOT eliminate a faithful obedience.

In Rom 4 Paul gives an example of a Gentile (Abraham) and a Jew (David). We know from Rom chapters 1 and 2 Jew and Gentile are under sin therefore David and Abraham were under sin (neither man was perfectly sinless) and need of justification. We know from Rom 3 the perfect works required by the OT law could not justify them so they must have been justified by an obedient faith, not by faith alone.

Rom 4:5 “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”

So Abraham (and David) “worketh not” meaning they did not work to keep the OT law perfectly to be justified but instead both justified by an obedient believing.

Paul quotes David who said “ Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.”

Question: is it those who OBEY God’s will, who OBEY in repenting of sins whose iniquities are covered and sins forgiven? Or is it the disobedient who will not obey God, who will not repent whose iniquities are forgiven, whose sins are covered?

Obviously it is those who OBEY are the ones justified (iniquities forgiven/win covered).

For nowhere does the Bible teach God forgives those that will not obey Him. So all the impenitent will be lost.

So IN CONTEXT we find the only work Paul mentioned that does not justify is the perfect flawless law keeping required by the OT law. Paul does require a faithful obedience in order for one’s sins to be forgiven.

I know this is rather a long post from me but was necessary to show how to KEEP THINGS IN CONTEXT.


228 posted on 10/14/2020 11:01:02 AM PDT by Oneanddone
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To: Oneanddone

You cannot “PFFFHAHAHAHAHAHA” away facts and reality.

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No, but I can laugh off oxymoronic statements.

Also, the example of Naaman is no example at all since we’re talking about physical healing, not salvation, so that’s a non sequitur as well.

The FACT is that God’s grace is a free gift that does not require obedience beforehand and we are backed up by Scripture, and that obedience is what comes after. YOU are the one claiming that Scripture actually means the exact opposite of what it says.

That’s really pathetic, honestly.


229 posted on 10/14/2020 12:01:45 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: Oneanddone

If you examine the first 4 chapters of Romans, and not pull one verse out of context, you will find NOWHERE did Paul ever eliminate obedience from being justified.

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OH HEY, lookit the strawman argument!

Stop repeating lies about what I believe and maybe I’ll take you seriously.

The rest of your post is not worth replying to because you have started with a false assumption and built everything else on top of that falsehood.


230 posted on 10/14/2020 12:04:38 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: Elsie
Yep! That particular passage was used by the Holy Spirit to open my eyes and heart to the truth of the gospel and away from the false and accursed gospel I was brought up in.

It was especially the part, "I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand.", that did it. I thank Him every day for His love, grace and mercy.

231 posted on 10/14/2020 8:20:09 PM PDT by boatbums (Lord, make my life a testimony to the value of knowing you.)
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To: Oneanddone
Does the idea of “faith only” deny that one must FIRST obey BEFORE one can be saved or not? Obedience BEFORE justification?

Believing and trusting in Jesus Christ to be our Savior IS the obedience of faith! I receive God's gift of eternal life through "faithing" in His promise. I believe God. You keep insisting that obedience must come first before one is justified and saved, but you fail to define what this obedience entails. You mention "confession". Okay, I confessed that Jesus Christ is Savior and Lord. I confessed that I am a sinner and that I needed a Savior to make atonement for my sin. When I sin, I go to the Lord in prayer and confess my sin and thank Him for forgiving me.

You insist that "baptism" is required. Okay, I was baptized as a baby into the Roman Catholic church and then I was baptized at 16 years old when I accepted Jesus Christ as my Savior and joined a Southern Baptist church. So, according to your requirements, I am saved, right? I've been obedient, right? If not, then what more do you think I must do before I can know I have eternal life as Scripture says I can? You denied that anyone can have assurance of salvation, that they can know they are saved. You claimed, "Eternal security is a prime example of false idea that came from uninspired men. Jesus nor any of His Apostles ever taught it." If that is so, then why did Jesus and His Apostles teach one CAN have eternal security (I gave several proof texts upthread)?

Explain how your gospel isn't boastful pride in your obedient works to save you instead of purely by the unmerited, undeserved, unearned GRACE of God? The glory is ALL Gods - we cannot claim any credit. If Abraham was indeed justified by works, he had something to boast about, but not before God

232 posted on 10/14/2020 8:48:44 PM PDT by boatbums (Lord, make my life a testimony to the value of knowing you.)
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To: Luircin
A condition for a free gift. PFFFHAHAHAHAHAHA. Can’t decide if whoever came up with that canard is oxymoron or just moron.

Probably Santa Claus was involved with his "naughty or nice" list?

233 posted on 10/14/2020 8:50:52 PM PDT by boatbums (Lord, make my life a testimony to the value of knowing you.)
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To: Oneanddone
Mark 16:16 clearly puts obedience in believing and being baptized BEFORE ‘saved’

HMMMmmm...


Hebrews 11:6 KJV

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that.

234 posted on 10/15/2020 4:11:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums

I’m glad that it did!

However; yesterday I could NOT get the verses to copy, so all I could do was post the reference to them.


235 posted on 10/15/2020 4:16:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums

Looks like our refusal to abandon the Gospel of grace finally drove him off.

Once again, without their strawmen of accusing us of being unrepentant sinners, they have nothing.


236 posted on 10/16/2020 9:48:17 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: Luircin

My hope is that rather than driving him off he has gone away to meditate on all that we have shared with him about the truth of the Gospel of God’s grace. :o)


237 posted on 10/16/2020 9:05:09 PM PDT by boatbums (Lord, make my life a testimony to the value of knowing you.)
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To: Luircin

Who are you talking about?


238 posted on 02/15/2021 10:26:27 PM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos

Took you 4 months to respond, eh?

Must have demolished you pretty bad.


239 posted on 02/24/2021 12:19:56 PM PST by Luircin
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To: Luircin

Nope, just noticed it


240 posted on 02/24/2021 12:42:07 PM PST by Cronos
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