88 REASONS Why The Rapture Will Be In 1988 {End Times}

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[Cronos]

88 reasons why Rosh-hash-ana 1988 must be the time of the church's rapture

Reasons 4 and 5

The 69th week of Daniel ended 6 April 30 AD.... the 70ths starts with the day of Atonement 1988 when Antichrist signs the seven-year peace with Israel on 21 Sep 1988, and the 70th week of Daniel ends 7 Jewish years later on the Day of Atonement 1995 at the battle of Armageddon, 5 Oct 1995, thus lasting seven Jewish years.

Lunar dates... verify beyond any reasonable doubt that from the DAy of Atonement 1988 through the Day of Atonement 1995 is the 70th week of Daniel (This single fact is the unchallengeable proof that this book is correct and true)

[boatbums]

Doesn’t this remind you a little of Eddie Haskell or Al Gore? ;o)

[boatbums]

Maybe he needs some

[metmom]

Think it’s enough?

[Cronos]

Oh yes it is pre-Trib rapture fantasy.

Because 1. There is no before the tribulation rapture.

2. you mention keep bringing up the famous “rapture” passage found in 1 Thessalonians 4.15-17 which reads:

According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

This passage, when placed in the larger context of the chapter, is answering questions that Christians in Thessalonica had concerning death. What has happened to our loved ones who have died before the return of Christ to earth? What is theirs and our ultimate destiny? Paul’s answer: bodily resurrection at the return of Christ to earth! Not an escape into the sky [see appendix below!].

In this passage, Paul borrows two specific images from the Old Testament that would have been familiar to Jewish converts and Gentiles who were familiarizing themselves with the Hebrew tradition. The first of these that Paul employs in the text has to do with Moses who comes down from Mount Sinai with the Law with the great blast of the trumpet.

The second image is taken from Daniel chapter 7 where the “one like the son of man” (or “human being” or “The Human One”) and the community he represents is vindicated over the enemies of the people of God. Clouds here symbolize the power and authoritative judgement of God about the rescue of his people. This idea now seems to be applied to Christians who are facing various forms of persecution.

there is a third image in the text that comes from outside of the canonical context. This is the image of an emperor who visits a city. The people of that region would have gone out to meet him to usher him into their home in a royal procession out in the open air. This, Paul seems to apply to the church who will usher in their King into the new creation.***

Rapture, as it is popularly understood, is nowhere to be found in this “rapture” passage. Christ will return to resurrect, to purge, to heal, and to establish the eternal kingdom of God on this earth. Heaven and earth will unite like a bride and husband – for all eternity. That’s it.

The Bible teaches that when Christ comes back, it will be Good News! “‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away’” (Revelation 21.4). Surely we cannot erase judgment from the picture, but the hope is that those in Christ will be raised to eternal life and everything that is wrong with this world will be made right.

boatie This world renewed is going to be our home for eternity, and we have the opportunity to reflect that future in our present. Rapture invites us to escape this world: the last thing that Jesus would have ever taught!

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The word underlying “air” in 1 Thessalonians 4.17 is the Greek word “ἀήρ” (Strong’s: #109).

2. Frequency and Distribution

• Roman Historical Narrative (1x, Acts – 1)
• Pauline Letter (4x, 1Cor – 2, Eph – 1, 1Thes – 1)
• Apocalyptic (2x, Rev – 2)

[bramps]

Previously from Cronos homepage:
It is intellectually stimulating to discuss these things God has allowed us to know about, but I don’t believe He intends us to be at enmity with each other over things we may only be able to nibble at the corners of. If it helps us to further our knowledge and appreciation of God and ourselves within His plan, that’s good. If it draws us away to opposing corners in anger at brethren in Christ, it’s not so good.

[Cronos]

You say (like you say for your biblical errors) that "both statements are categorically wrong" and you do NOT give any proof for that, just "it's been said before"

Here is proof that the pre-Tribulation rapture is a 19th century invention

John Nelson Darby was an ex-Anglican who used the pre-Trib rapture conception to gain followers in a young nation recovering from the trauma of the Civil War. Darbyites taught that the rapture would usher in Daniel's 70th "week" and you Darbyites have 2 to 4 "judgements" and a split covenant -- as J Dwight Pentecost wrote "There are two covenants as seen in rapture theology: the first with Israel and the second with the church. This... would divie the references to the new covenant in the New Testament into two groups"

So rapturists like Clarence Lakin tells rapturists that the Sermon on the Mount has no application to the Christian but only to those who are under the Law.

Darybism and your specific split covenant pre-Trib rapturism is purely a 19th century philosophy

[Cronos]

In addition, how can I so boldly state that the pretribulation rapture theory is in error? Well to make the case will be much beyond the scope of this one post, but lets look at one simple argument. I will present more scripture defense of my position in future articles. For today, lets look at what most people consider the “foundational” rapture verse in the Bible, 1 Cor 15:51-58

⁵¹ Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

⁵² In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

⁵³ For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

⁵⁴ So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

⁵⁵ O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

⁵⁶ The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

⁵⁷ But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

⁵⁸ Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

To analyze this verse, lets start with the most important and obvious point. The passage tells us WHEN the “rapture” is going to happen. Verse 52 tells us that it is going to happen at the Last Trumpet. If we look in Revelation, we can see that there are seven last days trumpets, and the Last Trumpet, the seventh, is described in Revelation 11:15

¹⁵ Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!”

This occurs at the END of the tribulation and clearly is Christ’s second coming. Remember the Lord’s prayer where we pray, “Our Father which art in Heaven, hallowed be Your Name. Your Kingdom come, Your will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven”. This seventh trumpet represents the answer to this prayer believers have prayed throughout the ages. Christ has returned to reign over the earth. His Kingdom has come! So, one must ask, how many trumpets are there after the Last Trumpet? If the Last Trumpet of 1 Cor 15:52 is before the tribulation, how can there be 7 more trumpets during the tribulation? In this case, it would NOT be the last trumpet. No, the Last Trumpet is exactly what it says, it is the Last Trumpet. There will be no more trumpets after the last one. Those who argue for a pre tribulation rapture will say that 1 Cor 15 is talking about a different set of trumpets. When you ask them for a scripture to defend this contention, they will typically hand you a fascinating rapture video by Tim LaHaye, but they will be completely unable to provide a textual basis for their contention that the last trumpet is in fact not the last trumpet.

Next up, we have a second indication of timing. We are told in 1 Cor 15:51 that Paul is describing to us a “Mystery”. Hmm . . . I wonder if the Bible gives us any more end times verses on this “Mystery” of God. We have to look no further than Revelation 10:5-7:

⁵ The angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the land raised up his hand to heaven⁶ and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and the things that are in it, the earth and the things that are in it, and the sea and the things that are in it, that there should be delay no longer, ⁷ but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets.

We are shown here that the Mystery of God alluded to by Paul in 1 Cor 15:51 would be completed with the sounding of the seventh trumpet. We have already shown that the seventh trumpet happens at the end of the tribulation and is associated with the blessed second coming of Christ.

Finally, we look at the other blessed promise that occurs at the time of this resurrection of the dead and the “rapture” of the church. We are told that in 1 Cor 15:54-56 that this is the time that Christ will win victory over death. In fact, “Death is swallowed up in Victory”. Everyone will agree that Revelation clearly teaches that millions of believers will be martyred in the Tribulation. If the events of 1 Cor 15 occur before the tribulation, and this is the time that Christ wins final victory over death, how can it be millions of Christians die AFTER Christ wins final victory over death?

If we place the events of 1 Cor 15 where the verse tells us to put them, at the last trumpet, which is at the end of the tribulation and is Christ’s second coming, ALL the textual problems go away, and the story fits like a glove.

So, why do we do so much damage to scripture to place the “rapture” before the tribulation. Well, it is like I said before, it sells well. In fact so well that literally Billions of dollars have been made selling believers books and videos teaching that they will not have to endure hardship. As westerners we are so precious in God’s eyes that He would never allow us to suffer tribulation, persecution or martyrdom. To this, I must ask, what about the almost 10,000 Christians that have been slaughtered this year in Africa alone? In Nigeria Christian communities are being wiped out in mass for their faith. In Kenya, schools, shopping centers, buses and more are routinely attacked. In many of these attacks, Christians could save their lives if they would denounce Christ, but they choose death over denouncing their faith. Where is their rapture? Is it only Westerners that God so favors as to spare them persecution?

Again, the danger of the pretribulation rapture doctrine is not that it is off on eschatology, but that it is off on understanding the attributes of God and the promises of the Bible. God never promised that we would not face persecution, and he never promised that we would not face tribulation. The promise of the Bible is that He would be with us and give us strength WHEN those things happen. To believe in a pre tribulation rapture is to not be ready for the things that will come upon the Church in those last seven years known as the Great Tribulation.

So to believe in a pre tribulation rapture, we must believe that:

1. There will be 7 trumpets after the LAST Trumpet
2. Millions of Christians will be massacred AFTER Christ wins final victory over Death, and
3. the Mystery of God is completed 7 or more years BEFORE the Bible says it will be completed.

[Mark17]

See you in the clouds, at the pre trib rapture. 👍😁

[Elsie]

...Despite its reputation as a medieval instrument of torture, there is no evidence of the existence of iron maidens before the early 19th century.”

HA ha!

Catholicism is FULL of practices and beliefs that have NO evidence of before a certain time; but they sure are heartily embraced!!

[Elsie]

Uh...

you failed to mention boiling oil.

Why?

[Elsie]

Disputable things

We all have an opinion: one way or the other; and by golly; it is the RIGHT one!!

[Elsie]

Someone is sure to be left in the field or end up sleeping alone!

[Elsie]

1 John 5:13

"These things I write to you, that you may know that you have eternal life, you who believe in the name of the Son of God."

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Seems clear enough to me.

[Cronos]

The Great Tribulation in Rev says

17:13-14 Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, "Who are these, clothed in white robes, adn whence have they come?" I said to him "Sir, you know." And he said to me "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

The washing of the robes means those who have been delivered

The Great Tribulation talks of how NERO persecuted God's people - this sustained and vicious tribulation of the Church started when Nero, the little horn, needed a scapegoat for the great fire of Rome. This state-sponsored persecution continued for about three years, until Nero diverted attention tot he Jewish-Roman war

Jesus clearly told the Sanhedrin that they would see evidence of the coming of the Son of man as predicted in Daniel 7:13 - for you to say this will happen after 2019 is FALSE. Jesus on the eve of His crucifixion made a promise to the Sanhedrin that THEY would see evidence of the coming of the Son of Man - he wasn't wrong by 2000 years!!!

Daniel clearly talks of the destruction of the Temple as the time of the Great Tribulation.Hebrews 9:24-25 christ has entered into Heaven itself, not to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. Nor was it to offer Himself repeatedly, as the High priest enters the Holy place yearly with blood not his own; for then He would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, He has appeared once and for all at the end of the age to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself

Daniel states that the purpose of the time is to bestow 6 blessings. These blessings were bestowed as a result of the first Advent The seventy weeks are decreed 'to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy."

The day when Christ was born, eternal righteousness was revealed, and the Saint of saints was anointed, namely Christ, and the vision and prophecy were sealed and those sins were remitted... It was because the prophecy was fulfilled by His advent that the vision was confirmed by a seal; and it was called a prophecy becuase Christ himself is the seal of all the prophets

[Elsie]

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[Cronos]

he Law represents all systems of justification based upon merit of them, ("for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law:" Galatians 3:21)

That is false - Paul is very clear throughout Galatians that he is writing about the Law of the Pharisees - you fail to show knowledge of the larger issue:

• Galatians 2:1 "Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem ..."
• 15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
  
  16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
• 19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
• 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

  It is so incredibly obvious and repeated over and over again that this is about the Pharisee-Jewish Law and no other

[Cronos]

And then as usual, you've only excerpted Romans 4 completely ignoring Romans 3 that starts with

3.1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?

And Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

31 Are we then annulling the law by this faith? Of course not! On the contrary, we are supporting the law.

It hits over and over again that this is about the LAW of the Pharisee-Jews and they are no longer applicable to the Jesus-movement-Jews.

Over and Over again and then he brings up Abraham in the next chapter about the works of The Law.

You keep on ignoring Christ's teachings that He gives salvation and you justify yourself by "eating of His body", by baptism, by penance and by enduring to the end.

[Cronos]

Esteem for the Christian Truth of God versus falsehood in your posts, and not some guile about ecumenism is why I write about the falseness of your philosophy and of the rapturists.

Now you didn’t object to this post, so that was not directed at you, but at boatie who asked “why are you posting these showing the falseness of the 19th century pre-trib rapture fantasy”

[Cronos]

Nah, that would be the rapturists who see everything from the use of English to the use of cell phones as evidence of their pre-Trib fantasy

[MHGinTN]

Yes, Brother, see you in the clouds in the pre trin Rapture departure of the Body of Christ believers. ‘Know this, that int he last days scoffers will come’ citing foolishness by men like Harold Camping.