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Salvation is a free gift of God! You can have confidence you are saved.
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Posted on 07/24/2020 7:55:20 AM PDT by Teleios Research

Be convinced with these 4 biblical truths: 1. Each of us has sinned; 2. God is just, requiring a punishment for sin; 3. But out of love God sent His Son, Jesus Christ who by dying on the cross, provided forgiveness of sins in taking man’s deserved punishment; 4. Therefore, by faith alone in Christ’s sacrifice for our sins and belief in His resurrection, man can gain eternal life. (Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 10:9-10, Romans 3:21-26) Read more at https://teleiosresearch.com/salvation-explanation/.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; History
KEYWORDS: bible; bot; christianity; cults; ellengwhite; falsedoctrine; gospel; salvation; sda; seventhdayadvents; tencommandments
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To: ADSUM; metmom
So you allow an exception for children to call their Dad as Father, but you want to disallow St Paul, St Peter and St John and Catholic priests of being spiritual fathers to the followers of Christ in the Catholic Church. “For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel” (1 Cor. 4:14–15).

And you think you can get away with putting unbiblical Catholic priests into that mix, eh??? You're trying to compare apples with pianos...

Well here's the deal...God made the milk of the scriptures so easy and clear an unsaved person couldn't miss those things unless it was intentional...

While Paul was the spiritual father to many (which is just a figure of speech that no one can miss) he was never addressed by others as Father...Paul would never allow it because of the mandate of scripture...Just like Peter who performed many miracles would not allow anyone to bow down to him which he knew was a form of worship (as Catholics do to their pope and the mother of Jesus)...

Mat 23:8  But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. 
Mat 23:9  And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
  Mat 23:10  Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

We're talking about religious figures here, aren't we...You know, like Catholic priests who wear long robes and prefer manly affection to that of a wife and family... The only way you could confuse those things is with dishonesty and deception...

Mat 23:11  But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

The inspired word of God considers the Apostles and their successors as spiritual fathers and not God the Father. 

This is an unbiblical fabrication put out by your unbiblical Church...

Who else in the scriptures was called a spiritual father??? Paul was the wise Masterbuilder...He was in charge of relaying the spiritual doctrine to the Gentile church...

421 posted on 07/29/2020 2:25:38 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
Don’t you love legalists? -------------------------------------------------

I keep God's law BECAUSE I'm saved, not the other way around.

12 Here is the [g]patience of the saints; here[h] are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Yeah, just keep telling yourselves that obedience to God doesn't matter and see where you end up.

422 posted on 07/29/2020 2:30:32 PM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Roman_War_Criminal; metmom; boatbums; SkyPilot; Mark17; Elsie; aMorePerfectUnion; daniel1212

So dear reader, you should no longer have any doubt that Sunday is the first day of week, and that nowhere in the Bible is Sunday blessed, sanctified or commanded by God as a day of weekly worship. If you claim to be Protestant, and acknowledge that the Bible is your only ruler of truth, then on what basis do you worship on Sunday? You have only the Tradition of the Catholic Church, and it’s claim of authority to change the laws of God to rest your case on. In spite of your claim of Protestantism, you are casting aside the only day the Bible sanctifies in perpetuity by the Word of God and you are replacing it with a day authorized ONLY by the word of Roman Catholic Tradition. If you hallow Sunday, then you are essentially Catholic on that matter, not a “Bible Only” Protestant.

So which authority do you acknowledge, the Word of God that commands seventh day Sabbath worship or the Tradition of the Catholic Church which commands Sunday, first day worship?

There is no other choice.

http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/notsun.htm


423 posted on 07/29/2020 2:41:31 PM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Philsworld

Only a cultist would threaten others who don’t join them.
Only a cultist would think like a Pharisee.
Only a cultist would skew Christ’s Own Words.

Guess what dude?

I’m Saved. Chew on it and spit it out if you want. I could care a less what you think.

My God holds the keys the Death & Hades. No you and not your cult.


424 posted on 07/29/2020 2:43:03 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Like Enoch, Noah, & Lot, the True Church will soon be removed & then destruction comes forth.)
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To: Philsworld; metmom

Yeah I’ll pass.

I wouldn’t read the Hadith either for what it’s worth (which is just as invalid as your link).


425 posted on 07/29/2020 2:44:39 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Like Enoch, Noah, & Lot, the True Church will soon be removed & then destruction comes forth.)
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To: Philsworld

Romans 3:20
Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

That one verse destroys your cult.


426 posted on 07/29/2020 2:47:39 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Like Enoch, Noah, & Lot, the True Church will soon be removed & then destruction comes forth.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal; metmom; smvoice; boatbums

Romans 3:20
Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

That one verse destroys your cult.


“rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.”

I agree with you 100% Now go read Exodus 20 and BECOME CONSCIOUS OF YOUR SIN.

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


427 posted on 07/29/2020 3:09:52 PM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Philsworld; metmom; SaveFerris; SkyPilot; MHGinTN

Paul was imprisoned for the good portion of his last few years on Earth.

Tell me, right here on this board publicly, that Christ is going to disallow him into Heaven because he couldn’t keep your ‘sabbath’? The day doesn’t even matter - he was in jail, so ceremonies or worship in a Church or Synagogue was a moot point.

This is how ridiculous and stupid your argument is!

Did Christ die the most miserable death ever in order to forgive sins & reconcile us to HIM or did He really want to enforce a myriad of legalistic doctrines that not even your fellow SDA fully comply with?

I literally think Roman Catholics might have more Grace on Judgement Day than you folks.


428 posted on 07/29/2020 3:12:05 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Like Enoch, Noah, & Lot, the True Church will soon be removed & then destruction comes forth.)
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To: Philsworld

Laws don’t save.


429 posted on 07/29/2020 3:12:35 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Like Enoch, Noah, & Lot, the True Church will soon be removed & then destruction comes forth.)
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To: Philsworld

Based on your cult teachings to justify yourself?

BWAHAHAHA!!!!!


430 posted on 07/29/2020 3:17:49 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Philsworld
For the life of me I’ll never understand why none of you won’t just READ a link that I post to.

Way too long...

431 posted on 07/29/2020 3:22:05 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: ADSUM
That is obviously a false sinful statement inspired by Satan.

Since you are commenting on #397; I will await your explanation(s) about reply #400

You may want to rescind this statement you just typed.

(At least HALF of it...)

432 posted on 07/29/2020 3:29:27 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Romans 14 and Galatians, especially 4:9-11.

We are not under the Law because in Christ, the Law is perfectly fulfilled in us. Our not keeping it cannot affect our salvation because the righteousness of Christ is credited to us and we are dead to the Law in Him.

Nothing we do or don’t do affects our salvation.

So anyone who says faith in Christ saves but if you violate a specific law, you are going to hell , is speaking out of both sides of their mouth. They cannot both be true.

And the person is depending on Law keeping to save them and keep them saved, instead of Christ is going to be in for a big surprise when they are judged by the very Law they are depending on.

I still think that if someone were really serious about keeping the Sabbath, they wouldn’t be posting on FR on the day they are supposed to have set aside for worshipping God.

Additionally, claiming not worshiping on the Sabbath is the mark of the beast is in direct contradiction to what Scripture says it is. Somehow, I can’t quite figure out how not worshiping on the Sabbath can be translated into a mark on the hand or forehead that is required for economic transactions.

Making that connection requires a staggering amount of brainwashing to reconcile those two.


433 posted on 07/29/2020 3:32:57 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal; metmom; smvoice; boatbums; BipolarBob; aMorePerfectUnion; SierraWasp

Tell me, right here on this board publicly, that Christ is going to disallow him into Heaven because he couldn’t keep your ‘sabbath’? The day doesn’t even matter - he was in jail, so ceremonies or worship in a Church or Synagogue was a moot point.


Are you seriously telling me that Paul didn’t keep the Sabbath in Jail? Whoever said you have to attend any church or synagogue to keep the Sabbath? The commandment says REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY, KEEP IT HOLY, AND DON’T WORK. I don’t see anywhere in the 4th commandment where church attendance is mandatory, even though I suggest it to get the full experience and share the day with like believers, JUST LIKE WE WILL ALL BE DOING IN HEAVEN, BTW...

Isaiah 66:

22For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

23And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

24And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

I haven’t been to church for a few months now due to covid restrictions. But guess what? I STILL KEEP THE SABBATH HOLY. You have no idea what you are talking about.


434 posted on 07/29/2020 3:36:42 PM PDT by Philsworld
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To: ADSUM
Mary was the greatest disciple of her Son. How are you growing in your call to discipleship?

Yeah; the Bible that Rome assembled so long ago is just overflowing with the accounts of her various deeds.


Matthew 11:11 KJV

Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.


Luke 7:28 KJV

For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

435 posted on 07/29/2020 3:37:00 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Philsworld
I keep God's law BECAUSE I'm saved, not the other way around.
12 Here is the [g]patience of the saints; here[h] are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
Yeah, just keep telling yourselves that obedience to God doesn't matter and see where you end up.

Nobody keeps the law of God...That's why Jesus died on the Cross...Because no one could...

You pull a verse out of the book of Revelation...What does your church do with the scriptures in the book of Galatians??? Care to expound on some of those???

436 posted on 07/29/2020 3:39:29 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool

You pull a verse out of the book of Revelation...What does your church do with the scriptures in the book of Galatians??? Care to expound on some of those???


I already have, hundreds of times it seems. I’ve also linked to articles that you all have refused to read.


437 posted on 07/29/2020 3:43:43 PM PDT by Philsworld
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To: ADSUM
The Blessed Mother as a child dedicated herself to honor God as a Virgin.

Where does Rome come UP with this stuff??


Mary: "Uh; Joe?"
Joseph: "Yes dear?"

Mary: "There's something I need to tell you before we take our vows."
Joseph: "Ok; what is it dear?"

Mary: "I have decided to remain a virgin."
Joseph: "What?"

Mary: "Yeah; no sex for ME after our marriage."
Joseph: "This can't BE!!"

Mary: "But I promised GOD."
Joseph: "WHY?"

Mary: "It seemed like a good idea at the time."
Joseph: "WHEN?"

Mary: "Long ago; as a child."
Joseph: "You GOTTA be kidding me!!"

Mary: "Nope."
Joseph: "But I have NEEDS!!"

Mary: "Too bad."
Joseph: "I may as well die early"

Mary: "Whatever; looks like the bible ain't gonna have much about you in it then."
Joseph: "And I thought Hosea had a crummy deal..."
 

438 posted on 07/29/2020 3:44:42 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Philsworld
Are you seriously telling me that Paul didn’t keep the Sabbath in Jail?

............................

What evidence do you bring forth to support this claim?

439 posted on 07/29/2020 3:48:23 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I'd rather be anecdotally alive than scientifically dead... f)
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To: Philsworld
So which authority do you acknowledge, the Word of God that commands seventh day Sabbath worship or the Tradition of the Catholic Church which commands Sunday, first day worship?
There is no other choice.

There's always the bible...

Col 2:14  Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 
Col 2:16  Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
 Col 2:17  Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Col 2:20  Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, 

So what does your chuurch do with those scriptures???

440 posted on 07/29/2020 3:48:36 PM PDT by Iscool
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