Posted on 07/24/2020 7:55:20 AM PDT by Teleios Research
BB, raise your right hand and promise me you read my article. Can you tell me honestly that you did?
I will say this again so there is no confusion. These are specific prophetic time periods. They are a day for a year continuous period. They go from point A to point B. There is no intermission and no "stopping the heavenly clock (LOL on that one). There is no "chop" It is continuous. It is also part of the longer 2300 year prophecy and that includes the 1260 year prophecy (day for year principle). Where's the chop in those other time continuous prophecies? The answer is that there isn't any chop. They also run from point A to point B.
During the last week (7 years), the gospel was exclusively preached only to the Jews. He confirmed the covenant with many. I can't do the article justice so I'm going to copy and paste the portion of it that talks about verse 27 specifically in the next post. The part to focus on is that the last week has been fulfilled. No mention of the Antichrist, no mention of a 7 year tribulation period. Only the end of probation for the Jews. That's it. Continued below.
BTW...I spent five months in North Dakota. There's no way I could have survived there for long. Eighty below zero with the wind chill factor? NO THANKS!
You wrote..... The doctrine of “faith alone” is NOT false.
Then went on to confirm what I’ve been saying. Faith only is a false doctrine. You must add to your faith hearing, repenting, believing, confessing, baptism and following Christ as a disciple.
So does a person need to repent of their sins to be saved, or not?
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Of course not. That is a “work “.
/sarc
Then you go on and confirm what I have been saying which is when you start adding to faith one MUST do this, this, this...you are essentially saying you are saved by what YOU do - by your works. That contradicts grace. If you try to be justified by works, you have fallen FROM grace. Of course God wants us to obey Him, live for Him and glorify Him in our lives but that is the result of a changed heart - a new birth in Christ. We love Him because He first loved us! We serve Him out of gratitude not out of fear of hell.
What do you really mean when you say "a person needs to repent of their sins to be saved"? Do you mean they must "turn from" their sins and stop sinning in order to be saved? Have YOU stopped sinning? Do you mean they should feel sorry for their sins? I don't think that is something you can just force yourself to do - it comes when your heart has been softened to God and you realize that Christ suffered and died so that all your sins were paid for in full. I feel shame and sorrow for past sins and I get convicted when I slip up and commit sin which draws me to confess to God and tell Him I am sorry and to thank Him for His forgiveness. But that is all part of being a new creature in Christ - it can't really happen before the new birth. It is the Holy Spirit within that convicts us of our sin and brings us to Christ for forgiveness. That is the amazingness of God's grace, that while we were YET sinners, Christ died for us.
You contradict yourself. A faith only doctrine does not require obedience. A faith only doctrine really doesn’t even require love for God.
No one is denying that we are saved by grace. But at the same time, accepting grace is one of those works that you seem to rail against.
Dan 9:27
(A) “And he [Jesus] shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:”
- Some would claim that the “he” could not refer to Jesus since his ministry on earth was only 3 1/2 years in length. They try to apply this to the antichrist (the prince who shall come in verse 26) and a 7 year peace treaty (covenant) with the Jews. Note the following, verses in red were spoken by Jesus-
Rom 15:8 (KJV) Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
1 Chron 16:13-18 (KJV)
13 O ye seed of Israel his servant, ye children of Jacob, his chosen ones.
14 He is the Lord our God; his judgments are in all the earth.
15 Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations;
16 Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto Isaac;
17 And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant,
18 Saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance;
Psalms 105:8-11 (KJV)
8 He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.
9 Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac;
10 And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:
11 Saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance:
Matt 10:5-6 (KJV)
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matt 15:21-24 (KJV)
21 Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon.
22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
(NIV) Mat 26:28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
(KJV) Mark 10:45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
(NIV) Mark 14:24 “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many,” he said to them.
- During this 70th week, the Gospel was preached only to the Jews.
- The event that ends the 70 weeks is the stoning of Stephen as found in Acts 7:59. At that point the Gospel was no longer preached exclusively to the Jews, Peter and Paul having been shown by vision to begin preaching to Gentiles (Acts 10 & 22:17-21). (See also Acts 11:18, 13:46, 14:27, 15:9, 18:6). The Jews are no longer the exclusively chosen people of God (Gal 3:28). See also the parable of Mark 12:1 and Luke 20:9. The original husbandmen (the Jews) of the vineyard are rejected, and replaced, never to tend the vineyard again. This does not mean they have been rejected as individuals. They can still be saved by faith in Jesus like anyone else. Promises made to the Jewish nation have been rejected by the Jews due to their unbelief, so the fulfillment of those promises will be made to those of faith, regardless of national origin (Gal 3:29).
- So the final week of the 70 week period left to the Jews continues unbroken from the baptism of Jesus in 27 A.D. thru to 34 A.D., to confirm and fulfill (seal up) the prophecy of Daniel.
(B) “and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,”
- In the middle of the week, in 31 A.D., Jesus is crucified, bringing an end to the symbolic temple sacrifices, which were a type (shadow) of his sacrifice at the cross. This is confirmed by the tearing of the veil in the Temple at the instant of his death, exposing the most holy place (Mat 27:51, Mark 15:38, Luke 23:45) signaling the end of the typical earthly sacrificial priesthood and the begining of.the priestly ministry of Jesus. The fact that Temple ceremonies continued until 70 A.D. is irrelevant.
(C) “and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation,”
- The temple in Jerusalem will remain desolate, lacking the presence of God, until the end of time. (Mat 23:38-39, Luke 13:35)
- Whether the Jews rebuilt the temple or not is irrelevant. It will remain in desolation. In fact, rebuilding the Temple and a resumption of Temple sacrifices would be the ultimate manifestation of unbelief and a complete rejection of Jesus Christ, the Messiah. It would be an abomination.
(D) “and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.”
- This has an initial application with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in 70 A.D. The Roman armies first surrounded Jerusalem in 66 A.D. and then withdrew for some unexplained reason. The believing Jews understood Mat 24:15 to apply to them and they fled the city at this opportunity. The Roman armies soon returned and laid siege to Jerusalem, resulting in it’s fall in 70 A.D. At that time thousand of Jews were slaughtered, not one of them was Christian. So this part of verse 27 finds fulfillment in 70 A.D. It may also be interpreted that Jerusalem and the temple will remain desolate of God until the execution of Judgment on the wicked, beginning with the last 7 plagues. That is to say Jesus will not dwell with His people until He does so after the second coming when the righteous dead are raised and the living are transformed, and they all join Him in the clouds (Rev 21:22).
It could not be more clear, except to those who refuse to believe that the SDA’s just might be right on this one. But of course to believe the SDA’s means no pre trib rapture, and you guys just won’t have that, will you? You people will come up with the most ridiculous, unbelievably concocted theories and stretching of scripture to explain the very simple word of God. Stopping the heavenly clock? are you serious?
There is no pre trib rapture. The true rapture is at the second coming. The Antichrist is already here. And, Sunday is coming. That will be the final test for the Mark of the Beast.
Think about this: “Matthew 24: 36No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” If you are correct that the very last 7 years on this earth happens exactly as you say, events, antichrist, deals, etc.... then everyone on this earth knows EXACTLY when Christ will return (right after those 7 years) and that certainly is a contradiction to the very words of our Lord, Jesus Christ. The bible is clear on that. Yes, there are signs and I know we are getting close. But the bible does not support CHOPPING off a clear and continuous time prophecy in any way, shape or form. The only way you are going to know what’s coming is because people like me are warning you in advance. If it happens like I say, guess what? you will pick the 7th day Sabbath (or maybe not). But the choice is coming.
I agree with you R2nd. Faith AND Obedience is required for salvation (unless it happens to be a deathbed confession or the likes, then faith alone would probably suffice)
Did you and Robert Breaker go to the same Bible College?
Yeah, a bunch of people suddenly disappear then everyone knows Christ returns in 7 years so they better get ready. (nope, they had their chances just like everyone else....no special consideration. You will either get the Seal of God or the Mark of the Beast) no chopped 7 year tribulation period.
Here’s some signs I’d be looking for:
Matthew 24:
6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Already happening, right?
Add to that a “falling out”
Then comes a National Sunday Law, which causes the Mark of the Beast.
Then comes the plagues, which take about 1 year to complete.
Then Christ returns
Yep, it’s salvation by faith plus works. It won’t work.
I spent my first 19 years in ND, till I joined the USAF, and left. 👍 When I got back from Vietnam, I re-enlisted, cuz I was in a critical career field, and I got a big bonus. Even then, I was thinking we were going to have a civil war. Also, if I hadn’t stayed in the USAF, I would have been discharged at the Port of San Francisco, and the only place I could go, was ND. NO WAY was I going to do that. 👎 anyway, see you at the pre trib rapture. 😁👍
We have all changed over the years.
Sometimes I merely have to go back a day or two and wonder, “What was I thinking when I posted that?”
Jesus told us that if you don’t eat His Body and Blood, then there is no life in you. John 6:53
“Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said “Take,eat: this is my body”. And he took the chalice ...” (Matthew 26:26)
The Eucharist is prefigured when Jesus multiplies bread for the crowds. (Mt 14:13-21). Christ’s presence in the Eucharist makes the Sacrament a true union with Jesus. (1 Cor 10:16)
Why do you need to misrepresent the words of Jesus as He instituted the Sacrament of the Eucharist?
I have not added anything. This has been believed and taught by the Apostles and their successors for 2000 years. I have not tried to impose anything, I am sharing God’s Truth. You are free to accept God’s Truth or not. Or you can continue to believe man-made doctrine from a heretic priest that has distorted God’s Truth for 500 years with the help of Satan.
I hope that you will know and understand that Jesus gave us in the Eucharist His Body and Blood and His suffering on the cross for our salvation.
a you have no idea what the original apostles believed kther than what is written. You are the one putting words in Christ’s mouth. Good luck with that. Maybe some day you will learn to leave the self made and ever changing lies and heresies your church crams dish people’s throats and listen to Jesus. God used Luther and others to set millions free from a false works based Gospel. You can have the same freedom. Salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ aline. it through a set of tortuous and heretical man made rules.
Genesis 9:4 But you shall not eat flesh with its life , that is, its blood.
Leviticus 3:17 It shall be a statute forever throughout your generations, in all your dwelling places, that you eat neither fat nor blood.”
Leviticus 7:26-27 Moreover, you shall eat no blood whatever, whether of fowl or of animal, in any of your dwelling places. Whoever eats any blood, that person shall be cut off from his people.”
Leviticus 17:10-14 “If any one of the house of Israel or of the strangers who sojourn among them eats any blood, I will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from among his people. For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life. Therefore I have said to the people of Israel, No person among you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger who sojourns among you eat blood.
“Any one also of the people of Israel, or of the strangers who sojourn among them, who takes in hunting any beast or bird that may be eaten shall pour out its blood and cover it with earth. For the life of every creature is its blood: its blood is its life. Therefore I have said to the people of Israel, You shall not eat the blood of any creature, for the life of every creature is its blood. Whoever eats it shall be cut off.
Leviticus 19:26 “You shall not eat any flesh with the blood in it. You shall not interpret omens or tell fortunes.
Deuteronomy 12:16 Only you shall not eat the blood ; you shall pour it out on the earth like water.
Deuteronomy 12:23 Only be sure that you do not eat the blood, for the blood is the life , and you shall not eat the life with the flesh.
Deuteronomy 15:23 Only you shall not eat its blood; you shall pour it out on the ground like water.
Acts 15:12-29 And all the assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles. After they finished speaking, James replied, “Brothers, listen to me. Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name. And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written,
“‘After this I will return, and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen; I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it, that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things known from of old.’
Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.”
Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brothers, with the following letter:
“The brothers, both the apostles and the elders, to the brothers who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings. Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”
Matthew 26:29 I tell you I will not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”
Mark 14:25 Truly, I say to you, I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”
Luke 22:18 For I tell you that from now on I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”
John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
Additionally, even Peter recognized that the eating of blood was symbolic.
In Acts 10 he makes this statement.....
Acts 10:14 But Peter said, “By no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.”
Eating blood was unclean, and he says that he had never eaten anything unclean. Or do you think that he really believed it was Jesus' blood he was consuming and he ate anyways? If he had thought that Jesus meant to to actually literally eat His blood, he would not have complied. He knew it was symbolic, otherwise he would not have eaten. Or was he lying when he told the Lord in Acts 10 that he had never eaten anything unclean?
Or do you think that Jesus commanded His disciples to sin by breaking the Law by eating something clearly forbidden by the Law?
John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
And here Jesus told His disciples that He was speaking metaphorically.
Catholicism claims on one hand that you have to literally eat Jesus and drink His blood to be saved. Jesus says the flesh is no help at all because it's the Spirit who gives life.
Taken literally as Catholicism demands, those two comments are contradictory. How do you explain that? Which one is true then?
I realize that you reject the Catholic faith and try very hard to show contradictory statements.
In John 6:63, Jesus was not talking about His flesh.
Jesus did not say, “My flesh is of no avail.” He said, “The flesh is of no avail.” There is a rather large difference between the two. No one, it is safe to say, would have believed he meant my flesh avails nothing because he just spent a good portion of this same discourse telling us that his flesh would be “given for the life of the world” (Jn 6:51, cf. 50-58). So to what was he referring? The flesh is a New Testament term often used to describe human nature apart from God’s grace.
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/what-catholics-believe-about-john-6
So are you saying that the flesh of Jesus is of no avail?
I think that you are confused.
I do hope that you challenge yourself to objectively understand the words of Jesus and then begin to believe in what he taught.
“ I hope that you will know and understand that Jesus gave us in the Eucharist His Body and Blood and His suffering on the cross for our salvation.”
Salvation comes only from entrusting ourselves to Him alone.
His perfect life.
His total sacrifice.
His resurrection & glorification.
Salvation does not come from any church.
Salvation doesn’t come from baptism.
Salvation doesn’t come from a Eucharist - nor is the eucharist Christ.
So you reject God’s Truth.
Just your personal uninformed fallible opinion based on not understanding God’s Truth.
Good luck for your salvation.
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