Posted on 12/27/2019 4:31:57 PM PST by ebb tide
ROME (ChurchMilitant) - The rise of Catholic traditionalism in Latin America, rooted in the Latin Mass, is rapidly reversing the long march of progressivism and Protestantism.
"We see that traditionally oriented churches and seminaries are increasingly full, especially with young people, while those of progressive orientation, increasingly empty," Juan Migel Montes, director of Tradition, Family and Property (TFP), Rome, told Church Militant.
"Catholic traditionalism is back in fashion," an upbeat Montes said. "This explains the defeat the Left is suffering in ballot boxes everywhere as the social, political and cultural realities linked to a traditional idea of Catholicism are multiplying everywhere."
"In Rome, as in the main South American dioceses of Rio, São Paolo, Buenos Aires, Bogota, Lima and Santiago, Masses in the Vetus Ordo [Old Rite] are mushrooming," he said. "They are teeming with boys and girls and young families. They do not come across to me as sour people or, according to a certain caricature." Montes was alluding to Pope Francis' Christmas address to the Curia, in which many believed he decried traditionalist Catholics as "rigid" and "unbalanced."
Traditionally oriented churches are increasingly full, especially with young people, while those of progressive orientation are increasingly empty.Tweet
"On the contrary, I see them as very enthusiastic and very eager to expand their range of influence among their peers. In fact, I continually see new faces in religious ceremonies. This motivates me to hope well for the future," Montes added.
The Rome bureau chief of TFP, an organization founded by Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira in Brazil in 1960, attributed the leftists' political defeats and some resulting violence and unlawfulness — as has occurred in Venezuela — to the "undoubted growth of traditionalist Catholicism in South America, especially among young people."
A Tridentine rite parish in Belem, Brazil
In a frontpage article with the Italian newspaper Il Giornale, Montes elaborated on the spurt in the Catholic traditionalist movement:
Right-leaning blogs are multiplying, animated by young and very young people, with millions of followers. New political and cultural groups of conservative orientation are arising. Online conferences of traditionalist orientation are gaining notoriety. Stores of modest clothing are spreading, in open contrast to today's immoral or extravagant fashions. After decades of virtual cultural monopoly of the Left, more and more books are being published and more and more conferences in the center-right area are being held. Sometimes the phenomenon can even be dazzling. For example, polls show 37% of Brazilians in favor of the restoration of the Brazilian monarchy.
Church Militant asked if the Amazon Synod might actually provoke an even greater growth of traditional Catholicism. Montes said that, ironically, the advance of progressivism in the Church — as seen in the so-called "Indian theology" that bears a marxist footprint and undergirded veneration of Pachamama idols — is serving to open the eyes of many people to the depth of the crisis in the Church.
Montes, in fact, attributes the ascendancy of Protestantism to a long history of "preaching from the pulpits, with different accents, of liberation theology. The re-emergence of traditionalism among the faithful," he said, is likely the "result of the 'unintended consequences of intentional actions,' which ordinary people mock with the expression 'the devil makes pots but not lids.'"
Montes also noted that in one of Pope Benedict XVI's trips to Brazil, the pontiff explicitly identified the sociological turn of preaching in the Catholic Church — specifically liberation theology — as the reason why countless Catholics defected to neo-Protestantism. Montes quoted TIME magazine: "The Catholic Church has made the option for the poor, and the poor have made the option for the evangelicals and the pentecostals."
This phenomenon does not occur in traditionalist Catholic circles, where evangelization adheres to the precept of Our Lord to "seek first the kingdom of Heaven and all these things shall be granted unto you," Montes explained. Despite having differing "liturgical sensitivity," he said numerous groups within the Church today "move decisively toward the search for tradition" in every field of life:
Procession with the Blessed Sacrament
[In] the life of piety they practice traditional devotions, especially the Marian one, and are not afraid of introducing themselves for what they are, conservative Catholics, even in the way they dress. In politics, they are increasingly demanding from candidates ... the non-negotiable principles preached by Benedict XVI, that is, the defense of life from conception to natural death, the family founded on the union of two people of different sex and the inviolable right of parents to choose education for their children.
Faithful Catholics can correct the drift occurring within the Church, Montes emphasized, through "forms of devotion, prayer and Catholic witness, in harmony with the traditional Magisterium of the Church — forms that were gradually abandoned and sometimes explicitly denied."
In September, Bp. José Luis Azcona, bishop emeritus of the Marajó Prelature in the Amazon area of Belém do Pará, Brazil, sounded the alarm: "The Amazon, at least the Brazilian part of it, is no longer Catholic," because it has a Pentecostal majority that, in some regions, "reaches 80%."
"Under the pretext of 'intercultural dialogue,' Catholic missionaries no longer evangelize or baptize," he lamented. "However, evangelicals do evangelize and work very hard indeed. While Catholic missionaries talk to Indians about 'deforestation,' 'climate change' and 'integral ecology,' Protestant pastors visit their communities with Bible in hand."
Gabriel Klautau Miléo, creator of the Salve Roma website, confirms the recoveries made by Catholic traditionalism. On Twitter, he posts pictures of Latin Mass churches filled with young people.
"All the photos ... were taken in Belém do Pará, one of the main urban centers of the Amazon region," he writes. "Several friends of mine and their families have returned to Catholicism by [re-]discovering the traditional rite of the Church."
"This is what the Amazon really needs," he notes. "We already have the apostolate of the Tridentine Mass in the two main urban centers of the Brazilian Amazon [Belém and Manaus] and in a city in the interior of the state of Pará [Santarém]."
Archbishop Alberto Taveira Correa, who heads the archdiocese of Belém do Pará, confirms that in his 10 years as archbishop, he can testify to the "growth in vocations" in his own diocese and others.
The Amazon, at least the Brazilian part of it, is no longer Catholic because it has a Pentecostal majority that, in some regions, reaches 80%. Tweet
Brazil's traditionalist Catholic Instituto Bom Pastor (Good Shepherd Institute) is also reporting a boom in vocations, as its "members want to exercise the priesthood in the doctrinal and liturgical Tradition of the Holy Roman Catholic Church, faithful to the infallible Magisterium of the Church with the exclusive use of the Gregorian liturgy in the worthy celebration of the Holy Mysteries."
Montes agrees it is impossible to predict the immediate future. "However, the rise of a mighty movement in traditional Catholic public opinion allows us to have many hopes," he affirms. "These hopes are also based on the promises of Our Lady who, in Fatima, proclaimed the triumph of her Immaculate Heart, after a period of tribulation."
You can't possibly mean this.
Most of the world would be defecating in its drinking water if the Catholic Church hadn't sent missionaries across the globe to teach people how to wear clothing and cultivate the land.
NIV
“We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.“”
NKJV
“ We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified. ”
NLT
“ You and I are Jews by birth, not ‘sinners’ like the Gentiles. Yet we know that a person is made right with God by faith in Jesus Christ, not by obeying the law. And we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we might be made right with God because of our faith in Christ, not because we have obeyed the law. For no one will ever be made right with God by obeying the law. ”
BBE
“ We being Jews by birth, and not sinners of the Gentiles, Being conscious that a man does not get righteousness by the works of the law, but through faith in Jesus Christ, we had faith in Christ Jesus, so that we might get righteousness by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law will no flesh get righteousness. ”
ASV
“ We being Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed on Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. ”
HCSB
“ We who are Jews by birth and not “Gentile sinners” know that no one is justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ. And we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified. ”
Oh!
I see..
This is one of those “which Bible do I choose?” And this Scripture is a GREAT example. Another example is 2 Tim. 2:15. What does your Bible say?
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.”
“Whoever believes” includes Saint Luther.
Does it include you ebb?
LOL
What are those people who died trusting what the RCC fed them doing NOW?
I’ll tell you: They’d LOVE to have the tips of their tongues wetted with such water!
That’s the Awana Key verse.
Over the years, I’ve memorized it in a few versions, including KJ.
I LOVE IT!
They have one thing in common, they all hate the Catholic Church but refuse to criticize each others' "churches".
"And you shall be hated by all men for my name's sake: but he that shall persevere unto the end, he shall be saved."
[Matthew 10:22]
"Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall put you to death: and you shall be hated by all nations for my name's sake."
[Matthew 24:9]
And you shall be hated by all men for my name's sake. But he that shall endure unto the end, he shall be saved."
[Mark 13:13]
And you shall be hated by all men for my name's sake."
[Luke 21:17]
Me, too. “Rightly dividing” is rendered “correctly handling” in a lot of versions. The meaning of Rightly Dividing is to cut, as in with a sword, to dissect. “Correctly handling” doesn’t seem to project the same meaning.imo
It was the Catholic Church who sent missionaries abroad (often at risk to life and limb) to evangelize the world; this was done by the Catholic countries of France, Spain, Portugal, and Italy (think, Amerigo Vespucci and Christopher Columbus). The world as you know it would be non-existent without the efforts of the Catholic Church.
To make a remark as ignorant as the one you have demonstrates a real lack of knowledge of basic history.
It has to do with the Great Commission.
We have our differences, but generally, the differences do not mean one of us is going to hell.
My focus is on the lost, that is, those who are headed to hell because they believe lies.
So, whenever I see a thread that tells lies and is not marked private (you know what I mean), I consider adding some biblical perspective.
I thank God for those who are way more diligent than I.
That’s so ignorant, I’ll just let it lay.
Paul identified Catholicism ... an other religion, not the Gospel of God’s Grace in Christ Jesus. Don’t want to get the dead souls in Catholicism all upset so I won’t post the list of ‘necessary things’ found in that religion and pushed as essential to eventually get eternal life.
“ I’ve noticed a good portion of prot freepers post more on catholic threads than on their own caucused and devotional threads.”
Don’t know why you posted that to me.
That gospel your Catholic missionaries and the entire RCC, since it’s inception, was “evangelizing the world” with is hardly something to take pride in. It’s a “form of godliness” yet so far from the truth of God’s word that even at this date, almost 2000 years since it decided it was the ONLY one worthy to speak for God and dare to claim His intents for mankind, they are now known as the Church that is run by the False Prophet, your pope.
Do you really want to tout the “virtues” of the RCC??
The Anti Modernist Oath was abolished by the Father of Vatican 2: Paul VI. You see it all goes back to Vatican 2.
Then you were wearing earplugs. The Bible is front and center at EVERY Mass, both Old and New Testaments. Catholics call it the "Liturgy of the Word". The Priest's sermon (Catholic term "Homily") is very often an in-depth discussion some facet of those Bible readings.
At EVERY MASS!
The center “hub” of the wheel- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4
For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures that he was buried, that he was raised the third day according to the scriptures.
The top of the wheel- the character of GOD: Revelations 4:8b
Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God almighty, who was and is and is to come. And...
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave His one and only son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life
The bottom of the wheel- the character of MANKIND: Romans 3:23
For all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God
And...
MAN: Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal Life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The left side of the wheel- God’ response is the CROSS: Romans 5:8
But God demonstrates His own love for us in this: while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
The right side of the wheel- God’s desire for mankind’s response is our TRUST: Acts 16:31
Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved.
You can call it whatever you want but the Gospel IS NOT presented at every Mass.
Not even close.
I did hear ONE “Priest” give the Gospel - once. On TV in the mid-80s.
I left the “Holy Roman Catholic Church” after a series of homilies about — a budget shortfall in the diocese. Then, years later (in the mid-80s) someone showed me the Gospel for the first time in my life. Then I knew what was missing for those 30 years.
Very nice; I think I’ll start using that.
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