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Catholic Traditionalism Booming in Latin America
Church Militant ^ | December 25, 2019 | Jules Gomes

Posted on 12/27/2019 4:31:57 PM PST by ebb tide

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To: Wonder Warthog

“ The Bible is front and center at EVERY Mass, both Old and New Testaments. ”

That isn’t the Gospel, which isn’t presented at any “mass”.


61 posted on 12/28/2019 6:16:15 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Ken Regis

The Gospel is read directly from the Bible, with references so anyone who wishes can follow up.

What is NOT presented is the fantasy invented by the Protestants.


62 posted on 12/28/2019 6:49:06 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

See Post 62.


63 posted on 12/28/2019 6:51:43 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Oh! Okay.

< /sarc>


64 posted on 12/28/2019 6:55:37 AM PST by Ken Regis
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

You haven’t been to a mass then! There is a reading from the gospel every mass, and there is normally a mass every day and twice on Sunday.


65 posted on 12/28/2019 6:56:41 AM PST by allwrong57
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

LOL!


66 posted on 12/28/2019 6:58:55 AM PST by allwrong57
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To: allwrong57
You haven’t been to a mass then! There is a reading from the gospel every mass, and there is normally a mass every day and twice on Sunday.

15 years of masses, served as altar boy, countless marriages and funerals.

Reading from the Gospels is not presenting the Gospel that leads to salvation.

Your assumption in the statement I quoted indicates you are talking about something different - simply reading the Scripture.

67 posted on 12/28/2019 7:00:11 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Wonder Warthog
What is NOT presented is the fantasy invented by the Protestants.

As a Christian, I'm not sure what you refer to.

I'm talking only about the Scriptures - the words of Christ and the Apostles.

68 posted on 12/28/2019 7:01:32 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Wonder Warthog
Here's the problem: You think that the "Liturgy of the Word" included the "gospel" because is is described HERE like this:

The high point of the Liturgy of the Word is the reading of the Gospel. Because the Gospels tell of the life, ministry, and preaching of Christ, it receives several special signs of honor and reverence. The gathered assembly stands to hear the Gospel and it is introduced by an acclamation of praise. Apart from Lent, that acclamation is "Alleluia," derived from a Hebrew phrase meaning "Praise the Lord!" A deacon (or, if no deacon is present, a priest) reads the Gospel.

Your ERROR is confusing the "Gospel" with the four "gospels" ("...the life, ministry, and preaching of Christ"). It's okay to be confused. It's not okay to hear the truth and walk away.

69 posted on 12/28/2019 7:03:44 AM PST by Ken Regis
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To: Ken Regis
This is the Gospel I'm referring to and it is not typically the message of any "homily", "liturgy of the word", or the entire teaching of the RCC regarding salvation (because of Gal 3, see above.)

Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance : that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve.

1 Cor 15:1-6 (NIV)

70 posted on 12/28/2019 7:14:51 AM PST by Ken Regis
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To: smvoice
But it's not the Catholics who are handcuffed to the Bible; it's the Protestants.

We all celebrate Christmas on December 25th even though that date isn't in the Bible; the Catholic Church teaches us that this the day that the Messiah was born.

We don't celebrate Easter the day after Passover (which is when the Bible tells us the first Easter Sunday was); we celebrate it on the first Sunday that follows the first full moon after the vernal equinox, because this is the day the Catholic Church declares Easter Sunday to be.

We don't take our day of rest on the Jewish Sabbath (which was the day of rest in the Bible); we take it on Sunday, because the Catholic Church has moved it to Sunday (and declared it so at the Council of Laodicea in 360).

(If you're taking your day of rest on Sunday, you're doing this without any biblical basis. In fact, you're following a Catholic practice of using either Sacred Tradition as your source.)

71 posted on 12/28/2019 7:45:26 AM PST by Captain Walker
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To: Ken Regis

“Try to stay focused on the subject at hand.”

a little humor.


72 posted on 12/28/2019 8:37:49 AM PST by Ken Regis
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
"I'm talking only about the Scriptures - the words of Christ and the Apostles."

No, you're talking about a pastiche of Bible verses taken out of context and stitched together and/or reinterpreted according to various Protestant "influencers".

Note...I WAS Protestant, until I started actually studying what Catholics REALLY teach, and not what Protestants "say" they teach.

73 posted on 12/28/2019 9:42:04 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: Ken Regis

And it is wrong to pluck a single verse out of the whole Bible as the entirety of the teaching. Protestants do this constantly.


74 posted on 12/28/2019 9:45:40 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Do you realize how dumb that is?

First, it’s six, not just one verse. Second, look at the Gospel Wheel earlier in the thread for even MORE SCRIPTURAL EVIDENCE of God’s plan for you. Third, think before you write.


75 posted on 12/28/2019 9:52:31 AM PST by Ken Regis
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To: Captain Walker

If only it were true, Captain.

You are bragging that the RCC is not “handcuffed to the Bible”?? And then you brag about WHY you celebrate Christmas and Easter when you do? Because “THAT’S WHAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACHES!?? And THAT my friend is exactly WHY the RCC is the queen of apostacy. Traditions and Doctrines of men. NOT biblically based. Founded on paganism and sustained by those who will not STUDY their Bible (2 Tim.2:15), but choose instead to read a view verses here and there while DEPENDING ON THEIR CHURCH to give them their man made “ meaning” of what the scriptures say.

THIS is how you end up with the False Prophet as your current pope.
Please STUDY 2nd Timothy, the whole letter. It was written for just these times.


76 posted on 12/28/2019 10:53:40 AM PST by smvoice (I WILL NOT WEAR THE RIBBON.)
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To: smvoice
But how did people work out their salvation before the Bible was printed?

There were decades between the Resurrection and the Bible. Were the Christians of that time all damned because they had no Sacred Scripture to read? (Really?)

(For most of recorded history, most of mankind was illiterate. Does it really stand to reason that the first requirement for salvation is literacy?)

77 posted on 12/28/2019 11:06:22 AM PST by Captain Walker
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To: Captain Walker

Are you being facetious here? Eyewitness testimony, the Apostles with miracles, signs and wonders to prove that their mission was God given. Do you not think God was in charge?? He sent His Son to die FOR US, then just left us in the dark about WHY??!


78 posted on 12/28/2019 11:16:17 AM PST by smvoice (I WILL NOT WEAR THE RIBBON.)
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To: smvoice
But not everyone saw these miracles; and yet, the Faith was passed on without Scripture. In addition, there were decisions made (regarding circumcision for the Gentiles and eating meats previously considered unclean, for example) by those in authority at the time. (This is what the Church refers to as the Magisterium.). (If you enjoy bacon with your breakfast, be thankful to the Magisterium for allowing you to eat it.)

And if miracles provide sufficient proof for you, consider the miracle of the sun at Fatima in 1917, performed by Our Lady for the benefit of 70,000 eyewitnesses. Or Juan Diego's tilma in Mexico City, or those healed at Lourdes. (Because if you're going to turn to miracles as a sign of proof, then you have to turn to all of them.)

79 posted on 12/28/2019 11:44:53 AM PST by Captain Walker
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To: Ken Regis
"Do you realize how dumb that is?"

Not at all dumb...it's what Protestants DO, all the time. One verse, six verses....irrelevant. Unless a Church embraces THE WHOLE BIBLE, it is erroneous. And NO Protestant Church actually does that..they ALL ignore critical pieces (or whole books).

80 posted on 12/28/2019 11:58:32 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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