Posted on 11/15/2019 8:57:13 PM PST by OddLane
Here is undeniable proof that the creators of Islam were mere humans who didn't understand what they were creating. This is a challenge to apologists to explain why Islam got the name of its god wrong.
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ISLAM IS NOT JUST ANOTHER RELIGION IT IS A FORM OF GOVERNMENT THAT SHOULD BE REFERED TO AS MOSLEMISM
It is interesting the way socialists approach theological concepts for when it comes to Islam they are not the only ones who refuse to approach the issue. That even includes leading Christian clergy including Pope Francis.
Followers of Mohammed not only claim, but truly believe that God has authorized them to kill those who refuse to submit to their version of Gods will.
That is a basic tenet of that religion. A claim which goes unchallanged which makes it a theocratic creed advocating a form of government that is to replace the existing one.
While it is understandable for atheists which most socialists are, not to approach that claim on a theological basis. But believing by bombing and killing those who believe in it will end its practice,which will not. Islam as construed with its portrayal of a mercyless evil deity approving using deception and deceit is an abomination which must be discredited and condemed.
And that can only be done by attacking its assertions and tenets. Certainly not by ignoring and deying they do not exist. .
It is bewildering why many Christian clergy concerned about quote, political correctness, unquote, refuse to address what an insult to God islam is and worse yet are unable to condem then convince and convert its advocates and adhearants they are followers of an evil creed .
The Koran which was not given to Mohammed by God but by some angel .Demanding enforcement of sharia law which draws heavily from the Torah.It is a pseudo religious concoction using monotheistic selected texts, taken and misconstrued from the old (bible) and new testaments.
Both of which cite the Almighty has granted free will to accept or obey his laws and God is the final judge not man: Sodom and Gormora ,and Let he who is without sin cast the stone, are outstanding examples from both books. One deals with sin and Gods decision toward a group the other to an individual, neither is left to man.
Yet followers of Mohammed under the severest of penalties are forbidden to read either which would refute that assertion in a creed which institutionalizes disgusting arab tribal views,mores, observances,and customs. Claiming adhearants are authorized by our Creator to demand submission to it or suffer an ignominious death administered by followers of Islam simply because they answer the call to prayer 5 times a day.
ARE ISLAM-O-ISTS REJECTING GOD AND GOD’S GIFTS ???
DENYING FREE WILL TO OBEY GODS LAWS
WHAT IS MORE PLEASING TO GOD ??
VOLUNTARY ACCEPTANCE OF GOD’S WORD AND LAWS ?
OR TERROR THROUGH PENALTY OF DEATH CONFORMITY
DOES NOT THE VERY ACT ENFORCING CONFORMITY
DENY THE VERY PRESENCE OF GOD ?
GODS RIGHT TO JUDGEMENT ?, AND GODS WILL?
http://www.theusmat.com/islamandfreewill.htm
And in the Quran, Jesus is mentioned many times, Mohammed is not. and in the Quran Jesus does miracles - and Mohammed does not.
It is possible to use the Quran to lead Muslims to Christ - if the Holy Spirit is initiating to do so........
The whole concept of God is skewed:
The Lorenzo Snow Mormon couplet: as we are now god once was; as god is now we can/shall be
“Perhaps you could corroborate a few things”
Or perhaps you could do your own research.
I just stated facts.
“your crazy train”
Yeah, spoken like a true intellectual who demands proof of something but does not bother to put a minimal effort into learning. Can’t help you FRiend.
“I’d read long ago that Allah was one god among many and is not the Arabic word for god. The name was familiar and was appropriated for that reason.”
There is more history to support that being the case for “God” in English than of “Allah” in Arabic. The Bible was originally written in Hebrew and Greek. Neither God nor Allah were used in it in its original languages.
This revisionist history also assumes that God was somehow unknown to Arabs. But a Biblical worldview of history shows nations and other people groups BEGIN with a knowledge of God and then move away into idolatry, not the reverse. In other words, this would mean Islam misappropriated God’s title, ascribing characteristics to Him that are theologically unsound.
Those who push the idea that Allah doesn’t refer to God because it was supposedly borrowed from some pagan deity, never seem to be able to come up with the “correct” word for God in Arabic. If it is not Allah, ask them what it is. Should we demand that those who speak Arabic learn some other language if they wish to refer to God by His correct title? Perhaps they would demand, like the Islamic terrorists who torture and murder Arabic Christians and Jews, that they too must renounce their faith in “Allah”?
Allah was the Arabic name for God before the English word “God” existed. It is God who divided the languages, starting at Babel, and He has reserved within every language at least one word that refers to Him, as our Creator and the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe.
The focus should be on knowing God rather than fixating on the distinctive qualities of various languages. God showed at Pentecost that He intends the Gospel to reach ALL languages. Jesus sent His disciples into the world to preach to ALL nationalities, languages, and ethnicities. He promised to save some from ALL of these various groups. He did not say that various language speakers needed to learn Hebrew or Greek to know Him. Otherwise, we would be just as lost as Arabic speakers, because English speakers learn of Christ and God in our own language.
“But which god are they referring to with their ‘own word’?”
The problem is not with the word but the theological errors Islam attaches to the word. However, Christians and Jews (who speak Arabic as their native language) use the same word to refer to the God of the Bible. Their theology is (or should be, if based on the scriptures) correct.
But we have the same thing in English. Among groups who identify as Christian, we have groups that deny the deity of Christ or deify other humans to be equal with God. But we don’t abandon the words for God and Christ because someone else misuses them.
Correct, but because Koine Greek was the predominate language of the world, the Hebrew scriptures were translated into Greek as the Septuagint. These scriptures were commonly quoted by Jews and Christians during the time the New Testament was being written. About half of the quotes of Old Testament scriptures in the New Testament use the Septuagint phraseology. About half re-translate from the original Hebrew to clarify their intended use and applicable meaning
Consider this quote by Paul, for example:
Romans 10:13
For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
This is from a prophecy in Joel 2:32. Peter also quotes this passage in Acts 2:21.
Joel uses the Hebrew name of God, Yahweh, but the LXX (Septuagint) Greek translates His name as kurios, i.e. Lord, just as Paul and Peter quote it. Note that both Paul and Peter are specifically using this Old Testament quote to refer to Jesus as THE Lord, i.e. Yahweh.
The message is: Whoever calls on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, will be saved. Jesus is THE Lord (Yahweh).
You’re welcome. I come here for the same reason. FR is a great place to learn (as well as to unlearn my errors).
Which is why I never use the word “God” when sharing my faith. I either use “the Lord God Almighty” or the “Lord Jesus Christ”, and that only after expressing the meaning of His Name.
“God” to a pagan could be the stone next to your foot....
My earlier post from last night was a bit of a drunk post. Not sure why I replied the way I did. Sorry about that.
I am an Infidel (kafir)and my interpretation of Islam is the same as Muhammad, Abu Bakr, Umar and Othman an later reinforced in the 1700s by Muhammad al Wahabb. Islam is a death sentence for anyone who resists it.
Since it came 600 years after Christianity, Muhammad was able to take advantage of the naive attitudes of Jews and Christians who are unprepared to face up to the fundamentals of Islam.
After 1400 years of the Muslims slaughtering both groups, the modern Judeo/Christians can't face up to Islam. -Tom
Thanks for that! I’ve read where Muhammod captured all sorts of land with all of the various tribes. It was difficult/impossible to govern all of these separate entities. So he created Islam to put all the same rules and a belief system over them under the guise of a religion.
But even now they sure do a lot of fighting between their various tribes.
I dont have the time or the energy to dig through my research but.... you are wrong. the religion we call islam didn’t even exist when the the english word “God” first came into usage. a precursor to the word allah, don’t remember.. sallah? was considered a minor god, one of literally hundreds of gods worshiped by the various and numerous tribes and clans that covered the middle east and north africa.
Allah as used in the modern religion? of islam did not come into usage until mid 9th century AD and as for the middle eastern christians (syrian) that I know and pray with use the words Jesus Jehovah and Yahweh.
thanks for calling and sharing
It’s nice when fellow FReepers take responsibility and are not too proud to say, “I’m sorry.”
Something we all should do often.
Accepted.
“I dont have the time or the energy to dig through my research but.... you are wrong. the religion we call islam didn’t even exist when the the english word ‘God’ first came into usage.”
Well, it’s things like this that cause Paul the apostle to write repeatedly, “I would not have you ignorant, brethren.” He wrote that because often Christians ARE ignorant. The solution is to listen, study, verify, and learn rather than dismiss something not fully understood in a knee-jerk fashion.
The term God predates Islam, but “Allah” also predates Islam by at least hundreds of years. It is quite possible that it is the same word for God that Arabic-speaking Jews used on the day of Pentecost, when they heard the message of salvation through the miracle of tongues:
Acts 2:11 (NKJV)
Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.
If I’m wrong, show the evidence.
“The middle eastern christians (syrian) that I know and pray with use the words Jesus Jehovah and Yahweh.”
Jesus and Jehovah are English words. Yahweh is Hebrew. Are you sure your Christian Syrian friends speak Arabic?
If so, ask them what the word for God is in Arabic. If it is not Allah, I would really like to know what it is.
Maybe this site can help you understand the linguistic issue better:
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/is-allah-god/
“When it comes to linguistics, it’s important to remember Arabic is a Semitic language closely related to biblical Hebrew and biblical Aramaic. The Arabic word for God, ‘Allah,’ is closely related to its Semitic cognates El and Elohim in Hebrew and the definite form Elaha in Aramaic. Indeed, Christians need only look to the original language of Scripture itself for evidence of this connection. In Daniel 2:28 we see that the indefinite form of ‘God’ in Aramaic is closely related to ‘El’ in Hebrew and ‘Allah’ in Arabic. The connection to the Arabic cognate is even more apparent when looking at the definite form in Aramaic, such as ‘the living God’ in Daniel 6:26. Indeed, the Arabic form of God is often understood as referring to ‘the deity’ (al-ilah).”
There is a lot of other authoritative writing on this subject. There is no need for a person to just go with his or her gut feelings.
The Arabic-speaking lands have been a place where God has been working for millennia. He planted Eden there. He called Abraham (then Abram) from there. He gave Moses the Law there. He raised up prophets there, such as Daniel, and sent prophets there, such as Jonah. Jesus personally discipled and trained Paul there for three years. The early apostles and other Christians spread the Gospel there, and Christianity took root there in the early days of the Church. What word for God do you think early Arabic-speaking Christians used? The Koran clearly demonstrates an awareness of Christianity and Judaism and condemns idolatry. So, why would anyone assume, with no evidence, that “Allah” originated with idol-worshippers and was commandeered by early Islam?
Mohammed is the author of the Koran; I don’t know that the Evangelists mention themselves much in their Gospels. Is that the explanation as to why he wouldn’t be mentioned?
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