What Is Better, Catholic or Protestant? Francis: “Both of Them Together”

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[ebb tide]

What Is Better, Catholic or Protestant? Francis: “Both of Them Together”

The Youth Pastoral Office of Magdeburg diocese, Germany, will organize an October 2020 “ecumenical pilgrimage” for young people to Rome.

The motto of the journey is “With Luther to the Pope”. A similar trip was already taken in 2016.

The pilgrimage is co-organized by the regional Protestant State church, although the Protestants repudiate pilgrimages.

On the trip's webpage Mit-Luther-zum-Papst.de, the tour operator, Hans Höffmann, remembers what Pope Francis said to the participants of the 2016 pilgrimage when asked by a youngster: "What is better, Catholic or Protestant? Francis answered in German: "Both of them together!”

Martin Luther attended school in Magdeburg as a boy. As a preacher, he led the city to defect from the Church. Magdeburg became the first major city to publish Luther’s writings.

[daniel1212]

I would think a beloved disciple of Jesus would love His mother, even adopt her as his own. Seeing His mother Many and His discople John at the foot of His cross, didn't Jesus say to Mary ---with great love and with one of His painful, dying breaths --- "Mother, behold your son"? And to John, "Behold your mother"?

Indeed, would think a beloved disciple of Jesus would love His mother - the one of Scripture that is, versus the fictitious mighty demigoddess lauded and treated as deity in Catholicism - and love all the mothers of Christ as well.

And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. (Matthew 12:49-50)

[Elsie]

Ah; Ebb...

You've REALLY done it THIS time... ;^)

What Is Better, Catholic or Protestant? Francis: “Both of Them Together”

[daniel1212]

Education does a lot to eliminate prejudices and there is no question that there is prejudice against Catholics from Protestants.

I dare say that I think you are in need of more education on the truth of the matter.

[Elsie]

For your information there are 22 rites, all Catholic Masses!

Color me confused.

WHY are there 21 seemingly EXTRA ones?

Where is this UNITY I hear bandied about on the pages of FR?

[Elsie]

The differences between the Tares and the Wheat are becoming more and more obvious.

[Elsie]

Ain’t it fun!

Playing the victim?

[daniel1212]

Catholics have done more good for the cause of Christ than all the Protestant faiths combined.

More harm you mean. If Catholicism had its way there would never have been Protestants (RC rulers were ordered to exterminate all the heretics in their lands) and a United States of the Founders, and indeed, even RCs today argue that revolution was contrary to RC teaching .

[Elsie]

I have educated myself on Roman Catholicism through independent study and interactions with Roman Catholics on these forums.

It's kinda hard to hang around here for 10 years (or more) and NOT figure out what is going on with Catholicism.

[daniel1212]

I will never stand silent again when I hear a Protestant degrading the Catholic faith. It's not right.

Then you must show how and where it is not right. Do not go into the kitchen if you cannot stand the heat.

[metmom]

I'm Baptist. I have no problem with Catholics what-so-ever. In fact, I've considered joining the Catholic faith. There is so much ignorance in the Protestant circles regarding Catholicism and there are many lies and myths about Catholicism that my denomination perpetuates, that many Baptists will never seek out the truth. On the other hand, (not often) I hear Priests on Catholic radio perpetuating myths about Protestants. All of us believe that Jesus Christ is the true Savior; born of a virgin; crucified for our sins; and rose from the dead. Accepting Christ is the absolute directive to get into Heaven. To me, the rest is a matter of the worship and the structure of each faith.

Then you really don't know much about Catholicism.

Catholicism adds a whole lot to the simple gospel, good news that Jesus came to save us.

They add requirements to be saved. One must be baptized, but ooops, that's not enough. You also have to go to confession, do penance, take communion, (literally eat Jesus literal flesh and literal blood, do good works to *merit* (aka earn) God's grace to stay in His favor.

They are a works based religion that says if you sin, you go to hell, therefore you have to keep short accounts with God.

And if you have sin on your soul when you die, then you go to purgatory to have it burned off, and then after an indefinite time of suffering to pay for those sins and be cleansed from them, you can be come good enough to be in God's presence.

They don't think Jesus atonement in and of itself qualifies you to be in God's presence and for them forgiveness is not a gift freely given, it's something you have to earn or work for.

And former Catholic here.

Born, baptized, and raised in Catholicism and found Christ at age 22.

It's a difference of night and day between the legalistic bondage of requirements set for by Catholicism to get and stay saved, and the freedom found in Christ who cancels the record of sin debt we owe and imputes HIS own righteousness onto us.

[Elsie]

Catholics have done more good for the cause of Christ than all the Protestant faiths combined.

Uh...

You wouldn't be stretching the truth a bit here; would you?

[Elsie]

“The journey of a thousand miles...

[Elsie]

I will never stand silent again when I hear a Protestant degrading the Catholic faith. It's not right.

Then please speak from knowledge.

Speaking from emotions seems to cause more problems than it solves.

[Elsie]

A bad Pope doesn’t make the entire Catholic Church bad.

I've heard a fish rots from the head down.

How much MORE bad stuff will you longsuffering Catholics take?

[Elsie]

A bad Pope doesn’t make the entire Catholic Church bad.

Once, the church got so bad that the PROTESTANTS split from her.

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[Elsie]

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I just LOVE it when a NEW item appears in a thread.

Not ALL of them need be thought of as a new rabbit hole or a red herring.

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[Elsie]

I would think a beloved disciple of Jesus would love His mother, even adopt her as his own.

Why?

Why not Jesus' gramma; too?

HIS great-gramma?

Where will it end??

[Elsie]

"Roman Catholic writers" don't define dogma for the Church, though, do they?

Apparitions do a mighty fine imitation of it!

[metmom]

A Scapular is a symbolic piece of cloth about the size of a postage stamp---two of them, actually, connected by a string --- and what it symbolizes, is being clothed with the Carmelite habit, of which it is a swatch, a sample. It connects one with security from hellfire and the promise of Salvation, which we --- like you --- have from Christ, and not from our on works. It is not by any means a requirement for salvation!

Nonsense.

It makes a statement that is says is a PROMISE.

It PROMISES that if someone dies wearing that thing, they will not experience eternal fire.

There are no exceptions or disclaimers on it.

It says what is says and it promises salvation by wearing it when you die.

Therefore it's an idol and not an *aid to devotion*. It does not *connects one with security from hellfire and the promise of Salvation, which we --- like you --- have from Christ*. It doesn't say that.

Besides, Catholics continually tell us that nobody can know if they are saved until they get to heaven and find out. And that to be sure of your salvation is the *sin of presumption*.

And now you're telling us that by wearing it someone CAN be sure of their salvation?

Doesn't that mean that the people wearing it, sure that its going to keep them from hell, are continually committing the sin of presumption?

Is that a mortal sin or a venial sin?

[daniel1212]

At the age of 58 after going from one evangelical “church” to another for 40 years I read everything I could get my hands on about the history of Christianity.

I find that dubious unless you made the uninspired writings of men determintive of what the NT church believed, versus the only wholly inspired-of-God and substantive record of what the New Testament church believed.

When and how were you born again, and with a heretical pope and overall liberal bishops, what is your position on RCs who relegate Bergoglio to being a false pope, and take issue with many of the teachings of Vatican Two Rome? How are they to determine the validity and veracity of all the comes from RC leaders?