What Is Better, Catholic or Protestant? Francis: “Both of Them Together”

Gloria TV ^ | Gloria TV

[ebb tide]

What Is Better, Catholic or Protestant? Francis: “Both of Them Together”

The Youth Pastoral Office of Magdeburg diocese, Germany, will organize an October 2020 “ecumenical pilgrimage” for young people to Rome.

The motto of the journey is “With Luther to the Pope”. A similar trip was already taken in 2016.

The pilgrimage is co-organized by the regional Protestant State church, although the Protestants repudiate pilgrimages.

On the trip's webpage Mit-Luther-zum-Papst.de, the tour operator, Hans Höffmann, remembers what Pope Francis said to the participants of the 2016 pilgrimage when asked by a youngster: "What is better, Catholic or Protestant? Francis answered in German: "Both of them together!”

Martin Luther attended school in Magdeburg as a boy. As a preacher, he led the city to defect from the Church. Magdeburg became the first major city to publish Luther’s writings.

[ebb tide]

You obviously didn’t read the article.

[metmom]

“Our #1 problem for many centuries has been arrogant, corrupt, self-absorbed leadership that feels it really does not have to listen to lay people”

You mean the thousands of shyster “pastors” like Joel Osteen, Jimmy Swaggart and their ilk who’ve gotten filthy rich off lay people sending them their social security checks and life savings so they’ll be sure to get to Heaven?

FOTFLOL!!!!!!

A Look Inside the Papal Plane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSBInQIR5is

[ealgeone]

He was held in his mother's womb, then as a boy was often held by Mary and Joseph; His grandparents too, I suppose. He was a normal boy. Does that need a chapter and verse?

Does it need a chapter and verse outlining the days and times Joseph and Mary engaged in sexual intercourse?

Nope....for we have the record of their children in Scripture...when read in context.

[metmom]

Your interpretation is not obligated by the text.

Is that the official, Catholic authorized interpretation of that passage or your own personal interpretation of that passage?

[ealgeone]

Just a humble abode!

[metmom]

I don't understand you, metmom. It seems the friendliest thing in the world, to say and believe with all my heart that we are family. Brothers and Sisters in Christ, remember?

Don't cherry pick.

[metmom]

The televangelists could only dream of that kind of wealth.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

You obviously didn’t read the article.

You'll never know!! 🤣

[Elsie]

Why Heretics Hate Mary and We Should Love Her More

Lotsa assumin' goin' on here!

Heretics,
Hate,
Love Mary more...

[Elsie]

Why Catholics ignore the words of Jesus and they should love their traditions more

[Elsie]

(They tend to get the Biblical Mary and the Roman one confused at times.

[Elsie]

What Is Better, Catholic or Protestant? Francis: “Both of Them Together”

Ya just gotta LOVE this pope!!

He speaks such inclusive language.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Jesus, did not say "Don't use Father as a title." First, He didn't confine himself to fathers alone; and second, He did not confine himself to titles alone (mere or forms of address).

What He said was:

Matthew 23:8-10
But as for you, do not be called "Teacher" because you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. Do not call anyone on earth your father, because you have one Father, who is in heaven. And do not be called masters either, because you have one Master, the Messiah.

I notice on BibleHub that various translators, trying to convey the intended breadth of this command, have rendered the words in these verses as:

• father
• teacher
• master
• instructor
• rabbi
• leader
• director (that's from Young's Literal Translation)

There's nothing there limited or confined to "forms of address" or "titles", meaning an appellative on one's name showing rank.

It's broader and deeper than that. It's a question of, when you come right to the moment of decision, the turning point, whom do you really consider your father, teacher, master, instructor, rabbi, leader, director: an earthly guide, or God Himself?

Protestants/Evangelicals don't fault themselves, for calling their pastor "Doctor" (because he has perhaps a Doctor's degree in Divinity) even though Doctor is the Latin word for Teacher.

Martin Luther was referred to, and referred to himself, as "Doctor Luther," since he had an academic degree as professor of theology. "Teacher Luther," The same was true of "Doctor (Teacher) John Calvin" and many other Fathers ---Fathers!---- of the Reformation.

Elisha cries, “My father, my father!” (2 Kgs. 2:12) to Elijah as he's is carried up to heaven in a fiery chariot, and Elisha himself is called "father" by the king of Israel (2 Kgs. 6:21). Notice Acts 7:2, where Stephen refers to “our father Abraham,” and Romans 9:10, where Paul speaks of “our father Isaac.”

As for teacher, Paul uses this word repeatedly for himself, and stresses to the Corinthians and the Ephesians that God has appointed teachers. At this point, he's calling his trained men teachers!

As for masters: Paul has plenty of references to masters, even telling masters and servants to remember that the masters themselves have a Master in Heaven.

If it were merely a question of protocol, of banning "titles" or "forms of address," we'd have to ban Mr. and Mrs., which are based on Master and Mistress. Call no man mastar.

So this NT practice of calling men fathers (or doctors, teachers, trainers, instructors, leaders, directors, masters) is apparently not prohibited at all, if you get Jesus' point.

Which is? That your ultimate father, teacher, master, leader, must be God and His Christ. There can be no rivalry with God, A man cannot be an alternative to God, or a competitor with God.

God is always the Supreme father. Supreme teacher. Supreme judge. Supreme King.

This is not a protocol question about titles. THis is a much bigger point: God's supremacy over all.

[Elsie]

The Word of God, Second Person of the Trinity, wanted to be Incarnate, wanted everything that goes with being born and living as a human.

Oh?

Gotta chapter and verse on this?

[Mrs. Don-o]

I apologize, for I have offended you. That was not my intent: I ask you to believe that and forgive me.

[Jim Noble]

I think the Boss had something to say about this issue you’ve been arguing about.

Mark 9:38-41: 38 “Teacher,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.”

39 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me,

40 for whoever is not against us is for us.

41 Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to the Messiah will certainly not lose their reward.

[Elsie]

Keep up this attitude and you be placed on a virtual rack until you get straightened out!

[Elsie]

It seems the friendliest thing in the world, to say and believe with all my heart that we are family.

And yet...

"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours."

--Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)

 

 

 "We are compelled in virtue of our faith to believe and maintain that there is only one holy Catholic Church, and that one is apostolic. This we firmly believe and profess without qualification. Outside this Church there is no salvation and no remission of sins, the Spouse in the Canticle proclaiming: 'One is my dove, my perfect one. One is she of her mother, the chosen of her that bore her' (Canticle of Canticles 6:8); which represents the one mystical body whose head is Christ, of Christ indeed, as God. And in this, 'one Lord, one faith, one baptism' (Ephesians 4:5). Certainly Noah had one ark at the time of the flood, prefiguring one Church which perfect to one cubit having one ruler and guide, namely Noah, outside of which we read all living things were destroyed… We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

--Pope Boniface VIII, Bull Unam sanctam (A.D. 1302)

---

Still in force; ain't it!

[Elsie]

You obviously didn’t read the article. jump into the rabbit hole.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

They tend to get the Biblical Mary and the Roman one confused at times.

Here's how any Catholic can tell them apart...

If anything is added to what God said about Mary, that's the fake Roman Mary.

If it is a statue, that is not the real Mary. She'd be appalled.