Posted on 07/07/2019 9:21:48 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
Pope Francis, starting back in 2014, instituted Islamic prayers to the moon god allah in the Vatican. In 2018, he told a photographer that he was ‘the Devil’ then walked away laughing about it. In 2019, he called for all Catholic schools to begin teaching about Islam, and he signed a ‘Universal Brotherhood’ concordat with Sheikh Ahmed al-Tayeb after kissing him on the mouth. Did I say Pope Francis was the False Prophet? Hmm, now that I think about it, he sounds more like Antichrist.
FROM LEO HOHMANN: The Vatican has released the preparatory document for its upcoming Pan-Amazonian Synod of bishops in October, and it contains yet another window into Pope Francis’ green-friendly worldview in which he subtly and deceptively turns traditional, biblical Christianity on its head. You will recall that just a couple of months ago a group of more than 30 Catholic scholars and clergy signed an open letter to the bishops, pleading that they hold the pope accountable for his anti-Christian, anti-Catholic teachings with regard to marriage, moral teaching, etc. They declared him guilty of at least seven heresies.
His latest stunner is his Instrumentum Laboris document which says that the pagan Gaia worship of the Earth done by the tribal people of the Amazon fits in perfectly with the teachings and doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church. Francis for some time now has been pushing this New Age gospel, and now he is launching it with the Amazonians.
So in your mind, which church is the pillar and foundation of Truth? Be specific
The pillar and foundation are not the things that they are upholding.
This is what truth is.
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 17:17 Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth.
2 Timothy 2:15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.
The Greek doesn’t matter to them except when they want to make their point.
Otherwise, if it disproves them, they write it off.
“You pray, bow, kneel, kiss, and worship idols of a false mary, departed people, teeth, corpses, and hundred year old vials of blood”
Do you deny that you and your sect adhere to and teach these abominations?
“Christ only established One Church.”
So who established the seven literal churches of the book of Revelation?
Still waiting and your answer...
“Reread your above statement. You state your definition of “church” and turn right around and state, “I haven’t placed my faith in one of them”.
You answer my question and I’ll answer yours, I did ask you first.
“How many times does God have to say that He is the only rock not Peter, not the Pope, or not Mary.”
I’ll date myself here, but it reminds me of the tootsie pop commercial of how many licks does it take to get the center of the pop and the Owl says one, two, three, and crunch, I guess the world will never know.
God called Peter the Rock. He only needs to say it once.
Yeah, but you are ignoring the clear words of Scripture, that says the Church IS the pillar and foundation of Truth.
So I ask you again, WHICH Church is the pillar and foundation of truth? Be specific.
Peter himself called Christ the Rock, not himself.
So I ask you again, WHICH Church is the pillar and foundation of truth? Be specific.
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Well I’ll tell you what the answer isn’t: Roman Catholicism.
It wouldn’t have so many doctrines going blatantly against the Word of God if it was. Hard to be a pillar and foundation of truth if you’re peddling falsehoods.
Now, d’you want the answer to your question or are you just parroting talking points?
So be specific, which Church is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth?
Or do you just ignore the clear words of Scripture that don't align with your man made beliefs?
1 Timothy 3:15 if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth
I remember those, too.
>:(
Petros and petra are not the same object.
Peter – rock
Matthew 16:18 - http://bible.cc/matthew/16-18.htm
Jesus said that Peter was *petros*(masculine) and that on this *petra*(feminine) He would build His church.
Greek: 4074 Pétros (a masculine noun) – properly, a stone (pebble), such as a small rock found along a pathway. 4074 /Pétros (”small stone”) then stands in contrast to 4073 /pétra (”cliff, boulder,” Abbott-Smith).
“4074 (Pétros) is an isolated rock and 4073 (pétra) is a cliff” (TDNT, 3, 100). “4074 (Pétros) always means a stone . . . such as a man may throw, . . . versus 4073 (pétra), a projecting rock, cliff” (S. Zodhiates, Dict).
4073 pétra (a feminine noun) – “a mass of connected rock,” which is distinct from 4074 (Pétros) which is “a detached stone or boulder” (A-S). 4073 (pétra) is a “solid or native rock, rising up through the earth” (Souter) – a huge mass of rock (a boulder), such as a projecting cliff.
It’s also a strange way to word the sentence that He would call Peter a rock and say that on this I will build my church instead of *on you* as would be grammatically correct in talking to a person.
There is no support from the original Greek that Peter was to be the rock on which Jesus said he would build His church. The nouns are not the same, one being masculine and the other being feminine. They denote different objects.
Also, here, Paul identifies who petra is, and that is Christ. This link takes you to the Greek.
http://biblehub.com/text/1_corinthians/10-4.htm
1 Corinthians 10:1-4 For I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, and all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock (petra) that followed them, and the Rock (petra) was Christ.
http://biblehub.com/text/romans/9-33.htm
Romans 9:30-33 What shall we say, then? That Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness have attained it, that is, a righteousness that is by faith; but that Israel who pursued a law that would lead to righteousness did not succeed in reaching that law. Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were based on works. They have stumbled over the stumbling stone, as it is written,“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling, and a rock (petra) of offense; and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”
http://biblehub.com/text/1_peter/2-8.htm
1 Peter 2:1-8 So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. Like newborn infants, long for the pure spiritual milk, that by it you may grow up into salvation— if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is good.
As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. For it stands in Scripture: “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a cornerstone chosen and precious, and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”
So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe,
“The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”
and
“A stone of stumbling, and a rock (petra) of offense.”
They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do.
All occurrences of *petra* in the Greek.
http://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_4073.htm
All recorded instances of Petros being used were as Peter's name.
1 Corinthians 12:27 Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it.
Ephesians 1:22-23 And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.
You know, repeating the same talking points over and over doesn’t make you win the argument; it makes you sound pompous.
In Scripture, ‘church’ is an assembly of believers, both individual congregations and collectively across the world.
That means that ‘which Church’ is everyone who believes in Christ and confesses him as Lord. In addition to individual congregations of Christian believers that preach and teach the Gospel in its purity.
Roman Catholicism is no ‘One true church’ because A: they teach in blatant contradiction to Scripture in even their official doctrine. B: Their leaders are unrepentant sinners who teach falsehoods, and YOU haven’t thrown them out or removed them from among you. Indeed, your congregations still embrace them.
Well, considering the antics going on in Catholic hierarchy, it isn't Catholicism.
No denomination is the One True church.
So then what does that Scripture mean? Just BS?
We already gave you the Scriptural definition.
Ignoring it doesn’t change that we already answered.
It must be so frustrating that we’re not responding the way the talking points handbook says we should.
So to which Church does this part of Scripture tell you to go?
“Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector” (Matthew 18:15-17, NKJV).
Or is this part of Scripture just BS, because it doesn't align with your man-made beliefs?
The church, the body of Christ is all saved, born again/born from above believers in Him throughout all the church age and around the world.
It is no one denomination or church organization.
If that were the case then everyone who belonged to it would be saved and nobody outside of it would be saved.
But there are saved and unsaved people in ALL churches everywhere. The only thing that changes is the percentage. Some *churches* have a higher percentage of saved people attending it than others.
It depends is they preach the gospel or religion.
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