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Jesus is the Life Preserver. Mary is the Rope He Chose To Reel Us In.
The Most Ancient Tradition | 06-16-2019 | Charles O'Connell

Posted on 06/16/2019 4:55:18 AM PDT by CharlesOConnell

In Captains Courageous, with Spencer Tracey, Freddy Batholomew is a blowhard millionaire's son who is socially, poorly adjusted. He uses his father's incredible wealth, to bully his classmates and even his teacher, but he's roundly disliked, and ostracized. While on an ocean liner, he unsuccessfully tries to impress some other boys by eating 5 ice cream sodas. When he has to throw up, to escape the mocking boys, he runs into a lifeboat area to evade their ridicule while purging his overindulgence, and manages to fall overboard into the ocean.

Instances of people falling overboard into the open ocean are rather commonly reported in the news. Usually they are lost, but if by chance their accidents are observed and a life-preserver is thrown to them, is that the end of the story, do we just say, "oh, well, you have a floatation device, you're okay now"?

No, we have to pull them in. The life-preserver, the lifesaver, is only part of the formula for saving their lives. There is also a rope, which must be attached to the life-preserver, and must be used to finally accomplish their salvation.

Jesus Christ is the one mediator between God and man. But on the man side of the equation, unlike the radical individuality most typified by J.J. Rousseau, we who life the life of Christians do so in communities. But even then, we do not abide as atomistic individualists. We live our Jesus-oriented life in relation to our fellows. "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching." – Hebrews 10:25.

Jesus' first disciple was his mother, who gave us the total account of his early life and who "treasured these things up in her heart". "A sword will pierce your own soul too, so that the secret thoughts of many hearts might be revealed". On the cross, he gave his mother to John to take in his home, but when you take your master's mother, she takes care of you.

Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple; and there were flashes of lightning, voices, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail. And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; she was with child and she cried out in her pangs of birth, in anguish for delivery.
And another portent appeared in heaven; behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems upon his heads. His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to bear a child, that he might devour her child when she brought it forth; she brought forth a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which to be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days. …
And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had borne the male child. But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time. The serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, to sweep her away with the flood. But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river which the dragon had poured from his mouth. Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus. - Rev 11:19 -- 12:17

She forms the body of Christ. She schools her son's disciples. Those who won't attend her school, remain ignorant.

We are in a time when any merely human institution would be washed away. Our churches are going under the shadow of a new Heresy of Ba'al of Peor, as when the Hebrew people were successfully attacked and overwhelmed through human sexuality. Our churches are now pro-gay and as soon as the civil authority authorizes child sex, they will be indistinguishable from the denizens of the town of Sodom: "Bring them out that we may know them".

Jesus' mother forms the few of the elect who will resist being fooled by the great apostasy. Those who will not avail themselves of the lifeline of Mary, will be lost.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Ecumenism
KEYWORDS: jesus; mary
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To: Elsie
Why is it SO hard for Catholics to get the actual wording correct?

1st Cor 2:14.

561 posted on 06/18/2019 3:07:38 PM PDT by Mark17 (With Jesus, there is more wealth in my soul, than acres of diamonds and mountains of gold.)
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To: metmom; nobamanomore
So what are those traditions to which Paul was referring?

I apologize if my concern has already been addressed. I only have a couple of minutes before I have to leave and thus, not enough time to read through the 300+ posts that have occurred since this one. I'll try to free up some time to get caught up tomorrow.

Metmom raises an excellent question. Given that 2 Thessalonians was one of Paul's earliest works (probably his second), it is entirely possible that the unwritten traditions referred to in 2 Thessalonians may have subsequently appeared in later epistles. While the exhortation was valid to the Thessalonians, it might not be to us if the traditions referred to were put to print later by Paul or another of the NT writers.

562 posted on 06/18/2019 3:08:20 PM PDT by CommerceComet (Hillary: A unique blend of arrogance, incompetence, and corruption.)
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To: MHGinTN

Of course he does.

I’m still trying to get him to answer one little yes/no question with an actual yes or no. And it’s not even a loaded question; at least I don’t think it is.


563 posted on 06/18/2019 5:26:07 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: Mr. K

I seeJesus as our Ark keeping us safe on the stormy waters. no need of a dinghy or Mary...


564 posted on 06/18/2019 5:28:25 PM PDT by Mom MD
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To: MHGinTN
Work work work, trying to merit eternal life ...

  • And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
  • I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
  • Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
  • And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
  • Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
  • And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
  • But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
  • But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
  • And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
  • And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
  • And I will give him the morning star.
  • He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.


Revelation, Catholic chapter two, Protestant verses eighteen to twenty nine ,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

565 posted on 06/18/2019 5:39:22 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: af_vet_1981

Sooner than you can even grasp, you will be commanded to accept a mark on yourself in order to buy or sell. DON’T TAKE THE MARK.


566 posted on 06/18/2019 5:46:50 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Al Hitan
"I don't know who has the time to compile that lengthy list"

Evidently the word THAT means something else to you.

And, even though you SAID that YOU don't know of anyone who the time does not mean there ISN'T anyone with the time.

Is your time precious or not?

Could YOU make a SHORT list just for starters that maybe some of your cohorts would pick up the guidon and carry it into battle?

567 posted on 06/18/2019 6:01:53 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Al Hitan
Pay more attention and stop attributing quotes to me that I didn't make.

As soon as you stop...

568 posted on 06/18/2019 6:03:00 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Al Hitan
Pay more attention and stop attributing quotes to me that I didn't make.

Oh that Rome would keep it's members from 'quoting' "Mary".


The True Third Secret of Fatima?
 
John 15:15

569 posted on 06/18/2019 6:07:15 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Evidently the word THAT means something else to you.

Something else than what? The "that" refers to "that" list you mentioned.

And, even though you SAID that YOU don't know of anyone who the time does not mean there ISN'T anyone with the time.

It means what I said. I don't know of anyone who has the time. It doesn't mean there isn't anyone without the time.

Could YOU make a SHORT list just for starters that maybe some of your cohorts would pick up the guidon and carry it into battle?

Sure, I could.

570 posted on 06/18/2019 6:19:42 PM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: Elsie
Oh that Rome would keep it's members from 'quoting' "Mary".

Your fascination and preoccupation with the Virgin Mary is noted.

571 posted on 06/18/2019 6:24:06 PM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: Al Hitan

“Your fascination and preoccupation with the Virgin Mary is noted.”

Fix needed!

“Your fascination and preoccupation with the former virgin, Mary is noted.”


572 posted on 06/18/2019 6:26:33 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Elsie
As soon as you stop...

No prequalifier is necessary. Stop misquoting me.

573 posted on 06/18/2019 6:27:54 PM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: af_vet_1981

So IS THAT A YES?

Do you earn eternal life with your works?

I desire solely a yes or no from you please.


574 posted on 06/18/2019 8:31:25 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: Al Hitan

You sound like somepne who actually believes the Mother on Jesus appeared at Fatima! Did she arrive in tht UFO Disc that was witnessed and reported and PHOTOGRAPHED that day 70,000 people saw a bright Disc buzz the crowd?


575 posted on 06/18/2019 8:32:51 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Elsie

I’ve heard goats are pretty much omnivores - they’ll eat just about EVERYTHING including non-food things. Is that true?


576 posted on 06/18/2019 9:00:36 PM PDT by boatbums (semper reformanda secundum verbum dei)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Look what you started!

I don't think it was unintentional.

577 posted on 06/18/2019 9:11:27 PM PDT by boatbums (semper reformanda secundum verbum dei)
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To: boatbums
I don't think it was unintentional.

I have a feeling, that is dead right on. 👍

578 posted on 06/18/2019 10:07:32 PM PDT by Mark17 (With Jesus, there is more wealth in my soul, than acres of diamonds and mountains of gold.)
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To: Al Hitan
Since no list is forthcoming it is time for the jury to decide about Sola Scriptura.

HR>

 Romans 15:3-4
3. For even Christ did not please himself but, as it is written: "The insults of those who insult you have fallen on me."
4. For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

 
 1 Corinthians 4:6
Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not take pride in one man over against another.
 
 2 Corinthians 1:13-14
13. For we do not write you anything you cannot read or understand. And I hope that,
14. as you have understood us in part, you will come to understand fully that you can boast of us just as we will boast of you in the day of the Lord Jesus.

 

 

579 posted on 06/19/2019 4:01:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Al Hitan
Stop misquoting me.

If it's in ITALICS; it's a "quote" from you.

580 posted on 06/19/2019 4:02:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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