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To: daniel1212
Which is just what will happen at the great white throne judgment that occurs after the Lord returns, which is the time period this punishment occurs, versus commencing at death, as in Purgatory. Thus Scriptural eschatology is against you.

Whenever the LORD comes for His servants; one cannot avoid the scripture in which the Messiah clearly taught three levels of punishment for His servants that did not watch (their behavior).

When the Lord returns believers will also be rewarded at the judgment seat of Christ, "every man according to his own labor" - the quantity and quality of what he helped build the church - with loss of rewards - and the Lord's grievous displeasure - being the only suffering mentioned after this life.

Suffer loss, not suffer loss of rewards. Look how ζημιόω to damage, suffer loss is used in the scriptures. It is not loss of rewords.

    Six occurrences
  1. lose his own soul
  2. lose his own soul
  3. be cast away
  4. he shall suffer loss
  5. ye might receive damage
  6. I have suffered the loss


And with the only transformational change being that of the believer resurrection and constitutional conformity to Christ.

And if Cath. Purgatory was what the believers then that would be just as manifestly taught as the judgment seat of Christ - which is not it - and the believer resurrection, rather than you having to attempt to extrapolate it out of unclear texts as Luke 12.

Just believe the text; three levels of punishment when the LORD judges His servants who did not watch (their behavior).

Furthermore, in contrast, besides the time period being contrary to Purgatory the only location mentioned in Luke 12:41-48 is that of being appointed his portion with the unbelievers, while all the servants are those who "prepared not" or who knew not, neither of which describes believers walking in saving, obedient faith. Against which Hebrews 10:25-39 warns.

The most severe punishment; no Once Saved Always Saved for the one who believes in being saved but did not watch (his works).
287 posted on 01/11/2019 8:50:44 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981
Sorry bro, I will never agree with your theology, but I don’t want to randomly generate verses. 👎
288 posted on 01/12/2019 12:38:29 AM PST by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD.... And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: af_vet_1981
af_vet_1981's response to refutation: double down on a refuted argument.

Whenever the LORD comes for His servants; one cannot avoid the scripture in which the Messiah clearly taught three levels of punishment for His servants that did not watch (their behavior).

- which once again as said and ignored, does not correspond to Purgatory in which punishment begins at death, and is also for making souls good enough to enter Heaven

In further contrast, as said and ignored, not being prepared or being ignorant of the Lord's will is not correspondent to persevering saving faith.

And as said and ignored, the only location mentioned in this discourse having one's potion with the unbelievers, which thus is correspondent to the final judgment, in which souls are "judged every man according to their works." (Rev 20:13)

Thus Luke 41-48 simply cannot be speaking of Purgatory even on the basis of basic eschatology. Reiterating your desperate apologetic only makes its specious nature more manifest.

Suffer loss, not suffer loss of rewards. Suffer loss, not suffer loss of rewards. Look how ζημιόω to damage, suffer loss is used in the scriptures. It is not loss of rewords. Six occurrences lose his own soul lose his own soul be cast away he shall suffer loss ye might receive damage I have suffered the loss

Which is more isolationist sophistry, for not only does "suffer loss" means "loss" in the majority of cases, but context tells us not only what is being subjected to the fire, but what the loss refers to, which is rewards:

Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward . (1Co 3:13-14)

Thus this desperate attempt by you is also - by the mercy and grace of God - exposed for what it is us.

Just believe the text; three levels of punishment when the LORD judges His servants who did not watch (their behavior).

Just believe the text; three levels of punishment when the LORD judges His servants who did not watch (their behavior) simply cannot be Purgatory as it is only correspondent to the final judgment, while even if it referred to 1 Co. 3, that is also disallowed even just on the basis of it not occurring until the Lord returns, besides being works being burned up, not character defects, and being saved despite this loss, not because of them.

The most severe punishment; no Once Saved Always Saved for the one who believes in being saved but did not watch (his works).

Which is what i affirmed, and does not hep your argument. Further reiterations will not make it valid, and you are very close to simply being ignored.

290 posted on 01/12/2019 4:54:07 AM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: af_vet_1981; imardmd1; Mark17; boatbums

Here is another way to comprehend the parable: He was speaking to ISRAEL and theiractions as God’s servants with God’s data input, and the results of that data with some using it to inform THE WORLD around them, some not so faithful to HIS directions to them, and some who just out of pride held themselves to be God’s chosen people while condemning the rest of humankind. ... Odd that a Catholic who believes he can earn salvation would avoid that explanation so vigorously ...


295 posted on 01/12/2019 11:05:20 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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